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Do you know of a convenient table showing the numbers you use to get those profit figures? I'm mostly interested in a clear understanding of what you are saying, and it is easy to end up talking about different things when discussing corporate earnings.

The profit margin for Verizon today is less than 12%:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/ks?s=VZ+Key+Statistics



short answer..one table, only giving the 'corporate earnings' doesn't tell the story-- but I'll think about a few to post.. highlights.

First, the link is to 2014 financials; the tracking to charge for broadband by changing state laws started in 1993. Also, the numbers in Verizon's overall business reports are a garbage pail of revenues, etc. as the company has over 365 different investments and companies in over 150 countries.

On the earnings, my books use a standard EBITDA, earnings before income tax and depreciation and amoritization, and Return on Equity, among other indicators.

And we used the SEC-filed state-based annual reports, like a report for Verizon New York, but that data stopped in 2010; the FCC data stopped in 2007.

Worse, if you read our new report about Verizon New York you'll see that the numbers can't be ascertained easily anymore because of all of the cross-subsidies for all of the other businesses.

In fact, a previous report we wrote last year about Verizon NY is now part of FOIA challenge in court. It was used by Common Cause, Consumer Union, CWA in a proceeding calling for audits.

The overcharging is also different than just the 'corporate earnings'-- for example, In new york, Verizon got multiple rate increases on regular phone customers for 'massive deployment of fiber optics'; the additions come to about $4. billion from 2006-2013.

It's not legal to charge regular copper-based phone customers for a cable service, for example, or have expenses for the construction of the wireless cell tower wires.

However, at the same time, the company claims to have lost $11 billion in just New York for the last 5 years... the losses caused by the various affiliates (like Verizon Wireless is an affiliate of Verizon NY).. adding expenses.


Okay, how about a simple table of the salient numbers for one state?

Or is that a 'buy the book' sort of thing?




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