I don't know if that pun was intentional, but if it was it's absolutely fantastic.
So as to remain on topic: I agree with you but the other side of the coin is that Java the language can't seem to live down Java EE and its culture. It's trying, though. I give particular kudos to the Clojure and Scala communities for helping to rebrand the JVM as something awesome independent of Java. That helped me, at least, to realize that I shouldn't conflate the two in my head.
The only stumbling block I have to get around in my head now when I think JVM is "JVM == long startup times", which is still kinda true but nowhere near as bad as it was.
So as to remain on topic: I agree with you but the other side of the coin is that Java the language can't seem to live down Java EE and its culture. It's trying, though. I give particular kudos to the Clojure and Scala communities for helping to rebrand the JVM as something awesome independent of Java. That helped me, at least, to realize that I shouldn't conflate the two in my head.
The only stumbling block I have to get around in my head now when I think JVM is "JVM == long startup times", which is still kinda true but nowhere near as bad as it was.