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>Has it ever occurred to anyone, that Putin's Russia today is a conservative's "paradise"? I mean, if you do not agree with everything that 'progressive left' stand for, you may feel quite good in Russia.

Minus the extra judicial killing and prosecution of any serious political opponent.

Just to be clear, I don't try to judge Putin's russia through the "prism" of western media bias, I am sure he has done a lot of good for his country, but he has also done boatload of fucked up shit.



Not to mention the constant, evidence-based accusations of widespread electoral fraud, and the UN veto being used to continue selling arms to Syria as long as possible...


   constant, evidence-based accusations of widespread electoral fraud
There are conflicting views on that.

Accusations of fraud are mostly aboutRussian parliament elections of 2011. Pro-Putin party was accused of fraud in many districts, which I personally think is correct. (But, strangely enough, Israeli foreign minister, has found those elections fair and democratic... http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/lieberman-russ...)

On the other hand, most definetely Putin did not need any fraud to help him win presidential elections in 2012. He had an overwhelming support among common Russians. Forecasts by anti-Putin polling organisation Levada Centre promised him 63% of the vote (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_presidential_election,_...), and he indeed got 63.5%. His closest competitor (a communist) got 17%.

To win elections fraudulently, Putin had to doctor close to half of the bulletins, which seems unlikely, given worldwide scrutiny of the election, and his own efforts to dispel doubts such as installing live webcams at every polling station etc.

Tl;dr Putin won because he is popular, not because of the fraud.


Thanks for clearing that up! :)


I am not going to hold the UN veto against Russia; USA has done much worse with their veto power over the years.


Certainly agreed. I was only using that example as a reason why one might not "feel quite good in Russia".


I am not aware of any "extra judicial killings" by Putin.

There are claims that Dr Kelly was killed by Tony Blair for opposing Iraq war. But I am not believing it either.


>>I am not aware of any "extra judicial killings" by Putin.

You aren't supposed to be aware, is the idea.


What "boatload of fucked up shit" are you referring to? Why do so many negative comments pop up about him all the time? Either I'm missing something or it's just ultra-liberals complaining about the conservatism in the country.




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