> More broadly, I think this discussion is a stupid one
Mostly agree (although reasoning about these things can be interesting). More on this at the end of the comment.
> So if we're not arguing about a formal definition, then we're arguing about essentially our favourite dictionaries
It's also a matter of the most widely accepted definitions, not just what definition one prefers. And it seems to me not considering HTML as a programming language is what's most accepted and for good reasons.
We need a common understanding to communicate.
> I don't think the author could have been any clearer at all about what they were trying to communicate.
They just make their expression more confusing and more complicated by needlessly qualifying HTML and putting this footnote when they could have skipped both the footnote and the qualifier.
Here I was in fact mostly concerned about the clarity and the presentation. That page seems to be written for newcomers, qualifying HTML as a programming language doesn't seem quite optimal given the (supposed) target, I think it would do a disservice to someone who has not a great understanding of those things.
So the better way of exposing things IMHO is just not mentioning it at all, and if someone wonders whether HTML is a programming language, they can do their own research.
> An HTML file is a set of instructions to execute
I believe it's a stretch to describe HTML like this. Your explanation makes it work, but I don't think it's a usual way of viewing HTML. In any case it seems to me presenting HTML like a set of instruction to execute to a newcomer would just be weird.
Now, this discussion wouldn't matter much between people who have such a clear understanding of these things as you. When everything is this clear, deciding whether HTML is a programming language is indeed a purely intellectual exercise that can totally feel pointless and where both positions are probably reasonable depending on the perspectives, and yes, on the exact, clarified definition one uses.
So I was wrong: there is a debate. It was incautious of me to state otherwise. And the debate is mostly pointless for whoever clearly understands the involved concepts. And I should have focused on the pedagogical aspect of this stuff, not on whether it's wrong.
I will definitely handle such a discussion differently next time, if I don't outright skip it.
Mostly agree (although reasoning about these things can be interesting). More on this at the end of the comment.
> So if we're not arguing about a formal definition, then we're arguing about essentially our favourite dictionaries
It's also a matter of the most widely accepted definitions, not just what definition one prefers. And it seems to me not considering HTML as a programming language is what's most accepted and for good reasons.
We need a common understanding to communicate.
> I don't think the author could have been any clearer at all about what they were trying to communicate.
They just make their expression more confusing and more complicated by needlessly qualifying HTML and putting this footnote when they could have skipped both the footnote and the qualifier.
Here I was in fact mostly concerned about the clarity and the presentation. That page seems to be written for newcomers, qualifying HTML as a programming language doesn't seem quite optimal given the (supposed) target, I think it would do a disservice to someone who has not a great understanding of those things.
So the better way of exposing things IMHO is just not mentioning it at all, and if someone wonders whether HTML is a programming language, they can do their own research.
> An HTML file is a set of instructions to execute
I believe it's a stretch to describe HTML like this. Your explanation makes it work, but I don't think it's a usual way of viewing HTML. In any case it seems to me presenting HTML like a set of instruction to execute to a newcomer would just be weird.
Now, this discussion wouldn't matter much between people who have such a clear understanding of these things as you. When everything is this clear, deciding whether HTML is a programming language is indeed a purely intellectual exercise that can totally feel pointless and where both positions are probably reasonable depending on the perspectives, and yes, on the exact, clarified definition one uses.
So I was wrong: there is a debate. It was incautious of me to state otherwise. And the debate is mostly pointless for whoever clearly understands the involved concepts. And I should have focused on the pedagogical aspect of this stuff, not on whether it's wrong.
I will definitely handle such a discussion differently next time, if I don't outright skip it.