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The iOS YouTube app is not worse than the one in Android. Texting in iOS is arguably better or, at the very least, there is one more app to choose (Messages). And I’m curious to know what makes Antenna Pod so much better than the thousands of other podcast apps out there.

Social media apps have historically been worse in Android, because of lax app and privacy controls.

> What else is there, where is the advantage?

Personally, I’d rather not have Google buried deep inside all aspects of my phone.





>at the very least, there is one more app to choose (Messages).

How's that different than Google Messages being exclusive to Android?


RCS is not exclusive to Android, the point is moot.

Everyone I know on iOS just uses Messages, they don’t feel a need for other apps.

People on Android I’ve run into seem to have a half dozen apps and use anything but the built in messaging.

A few months ago while on a trip I ran into an older couple that wanted some picture I took in a place they weren’t physically up to going. They were not tech savvy at all. Had they been on iOS, they would have just been using Messages and it would have been easy. They had Android, and the guy opened about 5 or 6 different messaging apps, not really knowing what any of them were, it seemed like a real mess. I sent them using Messages over RCS, assuming they’d go to Google Messages, or whatever the default equivalent standard app is for Google (they seem to have changed it a dozen times). It could be that the pictures were taking a while to send, my phone showed they sent, but he had no idea where to look or where they might have went, despite having so many messaging apps. I hope he is able to find them or they came through with a notification once he had a better single.

Having one good app that everyone uses is better than the default app being sub-par, or so constantly in flux that the users and smattered about to dozens of different apps that can’t talk to each other.


> Texting in iOS is arguably better or, at the very least

Since some updates ago, my keyboard is still broken if I type too fast, and autocorrect been essentially broken for the same amount of time. Must be happening for ~years now, still waiting for a new update to finally fix it.

At least on Android you can change the keyboard to something else if you'd like, instead of being stuck with what your OS developer forces on you. Wish I had that option now.


I have been using SwiftKey keyboard on iOS exclusively since 2018 and have had very few issues compared to Android where it regularly crashed

A lot of the apps, not just the banking apps, but food delivery etc, restrict using alternative keyboards, leaving you with a default one, which is especially jarring for a multi-lingual countries where you typically need keyboards for English + language 2 and 3.

I had to give ap on a swiftkey iOS for that reason


iOS keyboards are hardly different from one another

Hasn’t happened to me, but I guess that you could always install a third party keyboard. Both Microsoft and Google have offerings in the App Store.

If you turn off swipe or swift or whatever they call it the iOS default keyboard is much better

The keyboard can be changed in iOS.

> Personally, I’d rather not have Google buried deep inside all aspects of my phone.

I mean, one could say the exact same thing but swapping Google with Apple.


Google core business is ads. It is not the same.

Apple's core business is trapping users into their walled garden so they can rent seek.

Whichever one you think is worse is really just a reflection of your own personal values. I value computing freedom above all.


> Apple's core business is trapping users into their walled garden so they can rent seek.

Apple’s core business is selling hardware. Their services revenue is not even close to their hardware revenue.


Yes, trapping users into their walled hardware garden so they can rent seek.

You buy a phone, and you're forever forced into buying only their peripherals.


That’s demonstrably untrue.

You could say that there are Apple devices that do not work well or don’t work at all without another Apple device, and off the top of my head I would say the only ones are the Watch and the HomePod, but most alternative devices work fine with Apple ones, e.g Chromecast, Garmin watches, Google Home hubs, etc.

And even so, the same could be said about Android only features and devices, e.g. Samsung Watch doesn’t work without an Android phone, Google Earbuds are feature capped on iPhone, etc.

IMO, if we are looking at rent seeking behaviors, Google shoving Gemini down the throats of Google Home users, with no chance of rolling back if they don’t like it, is way worse.


Demonstrably not true? What did you do with the 200+ Apple-only charging cables?

What are you even talking about? The only Apple exclusive connector in recent memory was Lightning, and it’s been phased out.

Did you get rid of all your micro USB cables and devices once the transition to USB-C began for Android?


> I value computing freedom above all.

So perhaps you should consider switching to GNU/Linux phones.


The difference between Apple vs Google is that with Apple you ARE the ad. They don't need advertising when they know people will adopt them and then be forced into their ecosystem.

I’m not sure what you are trying to say here. Even if that was true, my point was that an ad driven business like Google, would be incentivized to monetize all the aspects of my life they could have access to. If that’s not what Apple is doing, compared to Google, then that’s a win I guess?

> would be incentivized to monetize all the aspects of my life they could have access to

You're literally describing Apple's business model.


That’s false.

Google most profitable business line is ads. They profit from literally knowing everything about you, then selling access to that to ad bidders. Apple makes the most money from devices. It is not the same.


> They don't need advertising

Then why is it that they advertise? We just last week had a thread about how the Apple app store is making ads blend in more with organic results. So not only are they advertising to users (which admittedly was news to me), they are engaging in dark patterns to make those ads more enticing. It doesn't seem like being locked into the Apple ecosystem (and paying their tax on hardware) is actually benefiting the users.


One should read, carefully, the Apple EULA and TOS.

Is it worse than Google?

That's where GrapheneOS comes in. You can go fully Google-free or use their "sandboxed Google libraries" to run the Google apps as a normal user.



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