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Almost all your points are eliminated if you just live in a developed country.

I’m very, very far from rich, yet

1. University costs nothing for everyone

2. Good social safety net, but yes, having own retirement savings is very important.

3. Not for school or medical, the two biggest reasons in the US.

4. Free healthcare for all, aged care, etc.

5. Free healthcare for all.

It’s eye opening to see that the American dream is now “live a quality of life that dozens of countries take for granted”.



> I’m very, very far from rich, yet

Maybe that's why? I know rich people (truly rich, not your upper middle class or rich as in I got a couple mils of net worth), in developed countries (West and Northern Europe) and to be honest your points, apart from being tangled and repetitive just so you can get 5, don't reflect their reality and are just a setup for your last politically charged line.

I'm sure with tens of millions of dollars in your hands, you'd wait for that 20 minute doctor's appointment for 3 months, then another 8 for your MRI. Especially when your kid gets sick god forbid.


> you'd wait for that 20 minute doctor's appointment for 3 months, then another 8 for your MRI

You’ve been fed so much propaganda and disinformation you can’t even separate truth from fiction. Reality is nothing like this.


Yeah, it's not like I live here or anything... stop being a propaganda machine yourself, this community deserves better.


sure but all of those are not that sustainable long term. Denmark made retirement age 70 and that will change in the future because your social economy is not sustainable. This also includes a lot of government things in USA.

$10M and more buys true freedom and reach to global travel and countries. All of those free things in Europe require certain level of native labor and population aging fast is not helpin that across globe.


The US is $37 trillion in debt. It’s pretty clear doing it terribly is not sustainable.

Meanwhile dozens of countries are doing the above without immense debt.


Counter-argument, largely lifted from Graeber's _Debt, the first 5000 years_:

The US trade deficit isn't ever really meant to be repaid, it's basically the modern equivalent of the Roman Republic/Empire demanding tribute from weaker states with a thin veneer of "I'll pay you back" to make it more palatable.

Like the time the homeless dude living under a bridge near me asked to "borrow" 50€ from me :)


Whether a loan is meant to be repaid or not doesn’t change the fact that the need to borrow money to get something done makes it unsustainable.


Developed isn’t the same thing as socialized… or to what degree even.

In the countries that do have this it’s often much harder to make $10M. Also the context of this is Woz, aka the US.


> In the countries that do have this it’s often much harder to make $10M

Which is a good thing because then everyone has a good quality of life, not just those with lots of money.




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