> The main dev, apart from being a reactionary nutjob
This is honestly an understatement. Posting antivax conspiracy theories on LKML? Reactionary. Writing anti-DEI rants in his REAMDE and COC files? Reactionary. But this long-winded rant [1] defending WW2 Germany? "Reactionary" doesn't even begin to describe it.
Whatever one's opinion on Wayland, his conduct [2] should be a huge red flag to anyone using his software.
Uh, he has a detailed historical view of the forces that caused WW2 and argued that the rest of world powers at the time put germany in a position that was very likely to cause the second world war. woOoOo scary, the only allowed thought pattern is "ww2 germany bad" after all. If you want to debate him on details go ahead, but trying to use this as some kind of cancel-culture fodder is a waste of everyone's brain cells.
Character assassination campaigns like this are so pathetic on so many levels. What you are doing is already worse behavior than what you're trying to accuse him of.
And that you quoted him complaining about the russian developer bans is confusing. Why do you think "not wanting people banned by their country of origin" is a bad thing? What, are you racist?
The only people on character assassination campaigns here are literal Nazi followers rewriting the past trying to depict one of the worst genocide in modern history as an act of "peace." It's legitimate and inevitable that people judge you by your actions, all the more when it comes to what you choose to stand up for. Trying to call that "cancel culture" is just lazy and changes nothing. When someone stands up for Nazis or their defenders and that damages their reputation, that's on them.
Also, trolling LKML doesn't solve racism. Nor does having the Linux project violate sanctions.
I'm not going to touch the Holocaust or AfD shtick, but when it comes to "causes of the second world war", the things the allies did to Germany after the first world war are pretty high up there.
Should the Germans have started invading countries and slaughtering millions of innocent people? Obviously not. But the way the German people were treated was going to lead to war, eventually, and it almost seems like the treaty of Versailles was engineered that way. Unfortunately, the guy that managed to unite enough German people to start the war was a nazi instead of a Napoleon.
When it came to the war itself, the allies and the Germans were no worse than each other. Obviously the mass murder the Germans were doing makes their side the "bad" side of the war, but if it hadn't been for the Holocaust I doubt the lines would be all that clear. At the end of the war, cities were bombed and razed to the ground out of revenge and bloodlust, not out of military strategy. It's amazing what you can get away with if you're on the "right" side at the end of a war.
I think this guy's speech is full of right wing rethoric that's often a dog whistle for the far right, but he's not "defending WW2 Germany" as a reactionary. If I were German, I'd be happy that Hitler's legacy is in crumbles and that many of the horrible people doing his bidding got what they deserved, but I'd be pretty pissed off that Churchill and his people never had to face any tribunals.
Social media, AI etc has created a post reality world.
We DON'T all live in the same reality, the echo chambers and false narratives being fed to us and corralling us is completely messing with our heads.
back in the 60's and 70's we were worried that the CIA was micro dosing the population... what we've learned is that isn't even needed. just feed us attractive lies and we'll line up for brainworms via the internet and TV day and night.
Well, MKultra did happen. The fact that it didn't work don't mean they never tried :D
Concerning the WW2 lies about the start of the war, my principal issue with them are that they are quite easy to disprove, you just need to read _english_ cables sent to Poland which are publicly available, where they asked Poland to accept Germany ultimatum on Danzig and polish borders. I fact, Chamberlain Guarantee of polish independence explicitly didn't guarantee its borders. It was clearly an attempt to prevent another Czekoslovakia. Thus people believing them have to be idiots, I don't see another solution.
Also if you want to check Poland response, it's translated already. They said in late May 39 they tried to get a hold on German chief diplomat (not Ribbentrof, the second one) to accept most of Germany's terms, but couldn't. They surrendered by press, pushed articles in the free city to explain they removed border checks with Germany by July 39.
You can evolve political views but it usually rarely happens, more like in six decades than in six years. You can't evolve or lose basic human empathy though. You either have it or not.
Did he ever renounce his own views? Because publicly spouting Nazi propaganda isn't the kind of thing he can pretend never happened by just waiting a few years. I'm all for leniency, but he needs to show that he's changed. Especially when he has said things like:
- WW2 Germany was "peaceful" and that the war was "forced" upon them
- Churchill and Roosevelt "should have been the first to be prosecuted in the Nuremberg trials"
- The German AfD party is "(mis)labeled" by the mainstream media as Nazis
I'll go a step further and point out that someone who is not only willing to parrot these views but has a fairly detailed rationale for why they believe them are so devoted to those views that I'd find a disavowal of them somewhat suspicious.
Fortunately, it's also pretty clear from other contextual clues that he sees no reason to disavow those beliefs.
On the topic that Nazis are bad and that the Holocaust happened? Yes.
For all his whinging and whining about "muh dresden bombings", he conveniently seems to "forget" that all that stopped one of the worst genocides in history, including planned genocides (such as those of the Slavic people). And then when he does bring up the Holocaust later it's in a way that seems an awful lot like Holocaust denial.
I'm a simple guy. Goose-steps like a Nazi and salutes like a Nazi? Probably a Nazi.
This is honestly an understatement. Posting antivax conspiracy theories on LKML? Reactionary. Writing anti-DEI rants in his REAMDE and COC files? Reactionary. But this long-winded rant [1] defending WW2 Germany? "Reactionary" doesn't even begin to describe it.
Whatever one's opinion on Wayland, his conduct [2] should be a huge red flag to anyone using his software.
[1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20190404153507/https://lists.dyn...
[2]: https://lkml.org/lkml/2024/10/24/1249