Who needs educated people to solve tomorrows problems. China believes so, good for the US heading to the trash heap of failed nations by their own actions.
Given Trump's stances this week, I somehow think we've gone reverse red scare and would just work to spread communism in America. We're just so different from 50/60 years ago.
True, but in the 40s, 50s and 60s, High School Courses were very close to undergrad courses now in the US.
Back then, public schools were not afraid of failing students, plus hardly anyone in high school worked after school. Typically they work at summer jobs. Also if you dropped out at 16, you could find work at a living wage, not now.
Oxford and ETH Zurich will be open for the rich, but Trumpists openly despise higher education, and I'm not sure whether any American universities will be safe if Trump stays in power for four years.
RIP US-based Academia INC
In the immediate term, obviously the center of academic research moves to Europe/Asia, but the longer term damage is irreparable.
Where is the 0-1 basic research that fundamentally moves the ball forward going to come from? Clearly not the US anymore.
Franco and Stalin both increased University funding.
Cuba to this day spends more of its GDP on education than any other nation on Earth.
Syria (under Assad) spent more than South Korea, Afghanistan more than Greece, Iran more than the UK, Egypt more than Ireland, Iraq (under Sadam) more than Japan, Saudi Arabia more than Canada, etc.
You can look it up, the more totalitarian the government the higher the spend on education not less.
There's three big cohorts that heavily fund their University systems:
1. The Nordic States
2. Former British colonies
3. Dictatorships
You apparently have little idea how indirect rates work in academia.
Some basic math: A $500K grant with a 60% indirect will have 0.6*$500K = $300K worth of indirect costs on the 300K+500k= $800K grant. The indirect cost are thus $300K/800K or 37.5% of the total.
This compares well to cutthroat biotechs which have SG&A rates of 40 to 60%.
Further, the indirect rates in academia largely support services like histology labs, imaging cores, compute resources, safety training, and chemical disposal. It would be far more expensive if each lab had to contract out these services directly.
The common man is definitionally the one whose’a opinions matter. Maybe academics should become worthy of the respect of those who fund their activities.
Should it? The common man didn't want women to vote 100 years ago (and didn't go to acedemia either). They didn't want minorities to be people (or I guess count as 60% of a person) 200 years ago. The common man could be wrong.
The common man approved these changes, eventually. That’s democracy. Violating the will of the people now because they didn’t always agree with you is not democracy. You would much prefer to live in a monarchy or some form of feudalistic society if you would prefer to override the will of the people
Yup. But they didn't change their minds overnight. And not without a lot of protesting, and even some bloodshed. That's what's trying to happen. People from 100 years ago before the 19th amendment would also interpret it as "violating the will of the people", but that's almost always how you change minds as a grassroots.
>You would much prefer to live in a monarchy or some form of feudalistic society if you would prefer to override the will of the people
Protesting a proposed monarchy does not mean I approve of a monarchy. I'm not really a fan of this kafkatrap esque narrative. People post-Women's suffrage would also complain, so it's not like you're critical to convince of this to get my goals.
We do. That's how we collectively decides what gets done. It's the least bad system for making decisions.
That doesn't mean we sometimes don't make some really fucking stupid decisions, and there's no way to whitewash it.
Just because a lot of people believe in something doesn't mean they are right, it just means that's what we are going to be doing. Plenty of democratic societies have made horrific mistakes in the past. American readers might be passingly familiar with the Declaration of Causes of Seceding States, while German readers may have heard of something that happened in 1932.
And since the election, the show is definitely being ran by elites, they just happen to be elites with a much wealthier PR department. It's wild, though, how they've duped people into thinking they are some kind of everyman-outsiders.
Anyone who still thinks the richest narcissist in the world and a slumlord from New York give two figs about some working class sap will be in for a surprise.
The disillusionment with elites has been brewing forever, such is the nature of common vs. elite. However I would say the outright detestment for normal people reached its pinnacle when Obama said people who don’t vote for him “cling to guns and religion” and Hilary Clinton said those voting Trump were a “basket of deplorables”. Such blanket statements from our leaders describing half the country truly proved the minds of those fully detached from the common man.
It’s fair to protest and disagree. It’s another thing to call those who oppose you in a democratic society “nazis” or other hyperbolic pablum.
The absolute failure and collapse of the American left will be studied endlessly over the coming years. It will rebuild. But the wilderness will be long and difficult.
> Such blanket statements from our leaders describing half the country truly proved the minds of those fully detached from the common man.
Of the two parties this past election, one ran a campaign of governing for all America, and the other of division, with a loud and clear goal of punishing the half of the country that didn't vote for them.
Yet, strangely enough, the latter campaign was the one that succeeded. It's strange how the standard for the two parties differs.
> It’s another thing to call those who oppose you in a democratic society “nazis” or other hyperbolic pablum.
Are you implying that it's somehow impossible for a democracy to elect a fascist or an authoritarian? Did the Confederacy, or the Reich just magically appear out of thin air?
(Bonus question: Why do they... Keep giving, and applauding Nazi salutes at rallies? Did they sleep through history class? Are they unaware of what that symbol means? Should I not believe what I see with my own eyes?)
I grew up in NoVA. The dominant attitude at the time among the cognitive elites who worked for government was that we know how to do things, and we’ll use our capabilities in service of doing the things the common people want. It was a veneer even then—for example immigration has been increasing for decades even though the majority has never wanted that. But at least lip service was paid to the order of authority.
Sometime between Bush and Trump I that was replaced by an attitude of “the common people are deplorables and our values and goals are better.” Same attitude we have in south asia actually.
China doesn’t fund all of the bullshit research America does in the social sciences of dubious quality and reproducibility. I would love to axe everything that isn’t a hard science.
Yes. The only thing that contributes to society is science.
That's why we have museums devoted exclusively to science and the study of science. It's why scientists tend to write great books about the human condition.
It seems to me that wonderful books about philosophy and the human condition could be written without taxpayer funding, considering all of human knowledge is available at our fingertips
Why are we blaming Schools for using taxpayer funds and not the congress (or state govenor) who makes the budget? When did we celebrate shooting the messenger?
Also, this is pretty selfish reasoning. I'm sure the manufacturing jobs feeding us would take a stance to defund science as well. It's just a bunch of nerds playing around in a lab. They aren't contributing to the country.
