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> I find it annoying how we’re even entertaining the idea that animals wouldn’t be conscious. Like what does that even mean?

it means that "science" has been infiltrated with grifters living off research grant gravy trains producing conjectures entirely obvious for hundreds of thousands of years...and reproduced by the previous round of grifters a handful of years earlier. i say that as someone who sees these faux revelations recur every few years. it's ridiculous...as if we're as a species not conscious of the pattern, ironically.



That's for the most part nonsense / a distorted perspective on what happens in science... and I say this as someone who used to be a biochemist.




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