I’m not sure how I feel about the logistics of this.
On the one hand, municipality to municipality (Antwerp to NYC) makes sense since both will have similar challenges in law enforcement activities.
On the other hand, this seems to be a channel that bypasses the Feds, who are ultimately the ones with the National Security purview, and most/all foreign threats to NYC will pass through the Feds jurisdiction (border control, customs, coast guard etc)
> most/all foreign threats to NYC will pass through the Feds jurisdiction (border control, customs, coast guard etc)
After 9/11, it seems fair for New York to want to take anti-terrorism into its own hands, even if that duplicates certain federal functions. (I'm not arguing it's effective. Just that it makes sense for the city to not entirely trust the Feds.)
foreign intelligence is outside the purview of a domestic municipal police department. the US does not allow foreign municipalities to install police departments on US soil.
> foreign intelligence is outside the purview of a domestic municipal police department
Demonstrably, not the NYPD's.
> US does not allow foreign municipalities to install police departments on US soil
Sure. But those foreign countries allowed them. And again, nobody is granting the NYPD extraterritorial policing powers. They're there to collaborate on intelligence.
>Other law enforcement and intelligence agencies, particularly the F.B.I. and C.I.A., have opposed the department’s overseas deployment. Mr. Kelly was criticized for sharing information about terror attacks in London in 2005 and Mumbai in 2008. Federal officials have also complained about the police “freelancing” their own terrorism investigations.
What are these "terrorism" investigations? Jewelry store robberies.
>But Chief Galati said the mission of the program had shifted over time, and these days his officers were investigating other crimes. “As it evolved from terrorism, we started to see more and more criminal cases coming up,” Chief Galati said. He cited an instance where some of the $800,000 worth of watches taken in a December 2017 gunpoint robbery from the A. Lange & Söhne boutique on Madison Avenue were tracked down to a pawnshop in Amman, Jordan. “The world is a small place,” Chief Galati said.
> Is it demonstrable? Allow me to skeptical until New York's Finest crack a case that the NSA, CIA, and FBI can't handle.
It's demonstrable that foreign intelligence is within the NYPD's purview given they're doing it. No claims were made about efficacy.
Also, I don't think the NYPD aims to crack cases the Feds can't. It's more about directing resources towards areas they believe the Fed's aren't monitoring effectively or won't commit the resources they believe it deserves. If something were picked up, the NYPD would loop in the Feds.
>It's demonstrable that foreign intelligence is within the NYPD's purview given they're doing it. No claims were made about efficacy.
No. If an animal control officer starts delivering mail, that doesn’t mean mail delivery is now part of the Department of Fish and Game.
There is a terms for this: a bureaucratic overreach, wasteful government spending, a distraction.
What do you think a city cop can even do in a foreign country? What resource does the NYPD even have?? Who is going to say, “I can’t talk the local cops, or the local intelligence agency, nor can I tell the Americans directly, but maybe i can tell some foreign country’s local cop! But I can’t just tell them directly. If only this foreign country’s local police had an office here!”
An NYPD cop has less training and less resources than someone working for a federal intelligence agency. That’s just the truth. It’s a post-9/11 grift founded by former police commissioner, convicted felon, and embezzler, Bernie Kerik.
That’s what it is. It’s obvious, and it was obvious almost 23 years ago. Come on! The NYPD Israeli office isn’t even in the Israeli capital. It’s in a beach resort!
Exactly what coordination of intelligence is required? To me this would be like my local utility needing to have an anti-nuclear proliferation Taskforce with another utility from a different country...
I guess the real question that is not openly posed is whether NYPD has mandate do that before we even get to the part as to whether it is cost-effective, warranted or even desirable. Sheriff of my podunk lil town doesn't run work with Italy's podunk town mayor for example.
Ah yes, coordinating intelligence half way across the planet with the same country that legalises its IT companies selling illegal tracking of political and ethnic targets.
I was surprised to see US border control at Toronto Pearson but I suppose it makes sense to screen passengers on this side given the proximity of Toronto to a US workforce, and it would alleviate US airports to receive Canadian traffic as a pseudo-domestic arrival (I assume this is what happened when I flew YYZ->DFW)
> Today, CBP has more than 600 officers and agriculture specialists stationed at 15 Preclearance locations in 6 countries: Dublin and Shannon in Ireland; Aruba; Bermuda; Abu Dhabi in the United Arab Emirates; Nassau in the Bahamas; and Calgary, Toronto, Edmonton, Halifax, Montreal, Ottawa, Vancouver, Victoria, and Winnipeg in Canada.
the other reason is that if canadian traffic can come into the US as domestic pre-cleared, then travelers are free to transfer within the US much more easily. this makes things much easier for places that do not have direct connections to Canadian airports.
(in the US, even if transiting to another country you are required to clear US customs.)
I keep hearing (from abroad) about the "militarisation of the police" in the US. Unless the NYPD took this as far as SAM batteries, what could they do against another 9/11, given the original four planes didn't take off from NY state let alone city?
On the one hand, municipality to municipality (Antwerp to NYC) makes sense since both will have similar challenges in law enforcement activities.
On the other hand, this seems to be a channel that bypasses the Feds, who are ultimately the ones with the National Security purview, and most/all foreign threats to NYC will pass through the Feds jurisdiction (border control, customs, coast guard etc)