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Apple apologists frequently claim the walled garden is meant to keep bad guys out, but this seems a clear cut instance of the garden's wall being used to keep people in.


The Berlin Wall was also marketed by the old DDR government as keeping the bad guys out, when in reality it was to keep their own citizens from fleeing to the west.

“Mr. Cook - tear down this wall!” :-)


> The Berlin Wall was also marketed by the old DDR government as keeping the bad guys out, when in reality it was to keep their own citizens from fleeing to the west.

It worked out pretty well in both directions actually.


No, Mr. Cook, please keep the wall up!

You always have the choice to move to Android/Windows and never see Apple ever again. People enter the garden of their own volition, because it's a garden compared to all the crap out there.

None of this whining is about protecting the people, but rather about grabbing a slice of the billion-user pie, which Apple has historically denied other companies ever since they refused to put AT&T bloatware on the first iPhone.

Can you imagine what that would have been like?

People fucking loved the iPhone -because- Apple kept every other company’s bullshit off it!

And people who love curated platforms will continue to love it.

1 Downvote = 1 Trillion (funny how people advocating for freedom try to bury all dissent)


Classic "the walls are for your protection" gaslighting. Requiring a developer to remove a link to their website has nothing whatsoever to do with protecting users; it's a transparent attempt to pull wool over the eyes of users, to keep them in Apple's system so Apple can take a cut. Citing other supposed good acts from Apple doesn't refute this.


> You always have the choice to move to Android/Windows and never see Apple ever again. People enter the garden of their own volition

iMessage has (or at least had) engineered non-interoperability with non-iPhone devices and has a significantly degraded user experience for everyone if anyone has a non-iPhone device in a group chat. There were multiple people who "freely" made the choice to switch to an Android device, only to have their friends drop them from group chats and remake it without them.


Did I miss anywhere on Apple.com explanation for the users that they are a walled garden? If it’s not there, then I bet most people are not aware while buying and simply buy due to the brand.


Unless you cannot just go buy any phone or tablet you like, this may be considered an insult to all these families who were split by that wall. How on earth do these analogies cross some minds.


This analogy crossed my mind, because my family was split by that wall. - And people on the locked in side of the wall had a legendary sense of humour[0].

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_German_jokes


Personally not a fan of people who are offended on behalf of "others".


Then you must be not a fan of android users or store abusers who "take care for freedom" of those who are comfortable with apple.


I'd bet there are more Apple apologists than Germans who are offended by this analogy.


Might seem a frivolous analogy, but they are essentially equivalent remarks (made by DDR and Apple) in the real world and the digital world.


Open the App, be directed to the website, get scammed, ask Apple for your money back because an App in the Appstore scammed you. That's the problem Apple is solving. Unless transactions go through Apple they can't act as a guarantee on the App - which is what they have defined their role as.


> Open Safari, get scammed

Get real. Apple's behaviour is profit seeking, not altruistic.


Little more than a typical "protection" racket, only dressed up in a modern/tech jacket. Antitrust issue for sure.

Despite many making a reversed-logic assumption: because a company is not legally punished (yet), shows that what they do has to be legal, history on the other hand is littered with examples of powerful entities proving that assumption utter bullshit. Involvement with anything modern regularly being a key factor, in the law only slowly catching up. The USA becoming ever more like a corrupt and tribal banana republic, sure doesn't help either.

Good luck to you all, from across the pond.


The issue is that it mostly makes sense for them to recoup the cost of running the store and also make money from this massive service they run. The issue is that apps come in all shapes and sizes, and with different monetization models, but Apple's way of coming up with a fair cut for everyone just doesn't work or make any sense.

And then they need to keep adding these strange restrictions and rules to try and contort every app so that their rules kinda work, but it's just such a mess.


The solution is to allow sideloading on iOS. If you don't like the app store ToS then you have the option to not use it.


It accomplishes both objectives quite well.


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It stifles innovation and competition though.


With all these companies wanting a slice of the billion-user pie, the iOS App Store doesn't exactly seem to be hurting for competition.


Nobody is prevented from leaving Apple.

There's virtually no chance of running into Apple if you don't own an Apple device and choose not to use any Apple services (iTunes, Music etc.)




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