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Apologies, but regardless of being one sided, there is no acceptable professional reason to shout at someone in a meeting.

I’m not sure why you are writing this take, but I’m not sure how this is constructive.


And.

- and you're not sure... "but" would imply a contrary statement following. Two statements predicated on the same exposition, "I'm not sure", are in agreement.

If someone is a pedantic little prick and uses open forums, like meetings, to undermine your efforts then you might find it hard to keep your demeanor.

I'd like to site the first paragraph of this comment as an example. While it is accurate and relevant, it is also unnecessary and reduces the value of the statements you have made, diminishing them in the eyes of others, but to no greater benefit.

There an example; the correct use of "but".


One thing to note is power isn’t consistently generated M from the same source. Sometimes more wind, sometimes more solar, sometimes more gas. There’s currently a surplus of wind power overnight in that region and There are several companies teaming up with utilities to shift EV charging to lower cost, lower CO2 producing times.

This is a very complex problem to measure.


Except if you’re a pattern day trader (even with more than 25k) in which case you get the middle finger and nothing. Zero interest. Which is ridiculous because they make more money on these people.


If someone is pattern day trading on Robinhood, they’re not likely to notice let alone be deterred by such details.


Or actually have any significant funds.


On thought #2, I'm with you. While I'm planning to retire early (thanks to software, I will have the money, and not much brain power left), I have yet to figure out what the heck I want to do, and I won't retire until I figure that out.

I also think the "financially independent" life has a pretty wide definition. I don't need a job for an alarmingly long time, but couldn't retire on what I have. It still gives me enough freedom to work where I want, when I want - which is what proponents of this life talk about.


In college I built a project that could reasonably well predict the key of a given piece based on the distribution of note usage. For example, most pieces written in a major key would have the highest usage of the root, and the dominant of a key.

This obviously has a number flaws, but worked remarkably well for western music written between 1600 and 1900.


This is such a silly article. Of course they are technologically superior. This is like saying bare metal is better than a virtual machine. Of course.

But they are not universal for several reasons you fail to account for.

I won't bother categorically defending anything in this article, but I will leave a single statement:

good, fast, cheap - pick two.


There is no law of averages.


I am willing to accept that there are studies and statistics that seem to contradict what is commonly accepted. I'm also willing to accept a lot of the evidence here that the problem is not nearly as bad as believed.

This was, however, clearly written by statisticians that have no teacher friends or family. If they did, they would have asked more relevant questions of the data. For example WHY do teachers work "on average 40.6 hours during the work week, compared to 42.4 hours for private-sector professionals".

My wife is a teacher, and I can tell you exactly why.

Also, I laughed particularly hard at "teaching jobs are not particularly stressful or unpleasant compared to other occupations"

Hilarious.


My partner is a teacher. She does indeed work 40 hours per week on average, has extensive time off for holidays, has the full summer off (she doesn't work at all during it), has a pension that when she retires will easily fund her lifestyle and more, and is paid the median household income for the city. It's not an easy job, but it could be a lot worse. She was also given a signing bonus and scholarship that together meant she graduated with $0 of student loan debt.


Pensions, bonuses and scholarships seem to be exceptions.

Median income is also a poor indicator.


Pensions for teachers are certainly common. I grew up in a completely different part of the country and all my teachers also had pensions. I'm not sure how the median income is a poor indicator -- she makes as much as the median household does for the city.


In some states, teachers don't pay into Social Security, so their pension/retirement plan is in place of that. At least this is the case in Maine.

It's especially bizarre that the rules also penalize drawing on spousal survivor benefits.


For a long time there was a bizarre loophole in Texas. Apparently, the decision whether or not to pay into Social Security was made on a per-school-district level. Most districts do not, so do not receive Social Security. Some do, and those retiring from there did get SS. The super-secret trick was to resign from your current position, somehow work for a week or so at one of the minority of districts, then officially retire and collect both your normal pension and social security. I have no idea how it actually worked, I just watched a couple of teachers of my acquaintance do it.

I believe the loophole has been shut down for several years.


> My wife is a teacher, and I can tell you exactly why.

Which is?


They do a ton of work at home outside of school hours.


For the whole year? If you work 60 hours/week, 36 weeks/year, then you only work ~41 hours/week on average. School years are 180 days, for about 36 weeks. I know that teachers do work during the vacations somewhat, but, they also get substantially more time off than most other professional jobs in the US.


"Substantially more time off" is probably the wrong way to look at it when you don't get paid for the two or three months off.


I have a choice whether I would like my annual salary paid over 10 months with no pay in the summer or over 12 months. My annual salary doesn’t differ one way or the other.

I think the comparison was median annual income and median days of vacation per year. It doesn’t matter too much if the pay is distributed as a single annual lump sum or paid out every hour.


That's a good point. Really, you could just say that they have a seasonal part time job, but when they do it they are paid like professionals.

This might not be a problem if there were another part time job that really worked well for getting paid in the other months, but that seems difficult.


But according to this study, they aren’t and are only working ~40 hours. So who’s misunderstanding, this study that used time diaries from teachers or what the other teachers say? Both sources are self reported. I was expecting this study to ignore the extra hours that teachers put in away from the kids, but they seem to account for that.


I am a high school English teacher in a suburban district outside a large midwestern city. There is a large variance between how much work members of different subject areas bring home. I certainly have colleagues that work their 40 hours and don’t spend a minute more thinking about school. The nature of my work is different, and I typically work 50-60/week.

Also for reference, I have been working as a teacher for 6 years and make just shy of 43k.


The "article" was produced by a neocon think tank. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute

It's a "study" in the sense that a blog by the American Tobacco Association (fictional entity invented for the purpose of this argument) produces "studies" about the "harmlessness of tobacco smoking".


does she work summers too? winter break, spring break?


Does that matter? If we're talking in terms of annual salary, the fact that they "don't get paid" over the summer is irrelevant; it's just the same amount of money distributed on a weird schedule, isn't it? All things being equal, you'd rather have the $60k job that had "an unpaid summer off" than the $60k job where you got paid all summer, right?


At least the graph in the article is "adjusted" for the 10-month work year. Typically in such discussions, that would mean they multiplied teacher salaries by 12/10 to make them "comparable" to other professions.

Your $60k job is actually a $50k job with an unpaid summer off.


Are you sure about that? When the Washington Post says that CPS teachers make >$70,000, I'm reasonable sure (but not 100% sure) that's their actual annual compensation. When my kids old school district reports high-school teachers make $110,000, I know for a fact that's their annual comp, not something normalized to their "working months".


Good point. I'm being hyperbolic. But in these discussions you do have to be careful that someone hasn't annualized a 9 or 10 month salary like the article.


Do these questions have a point?


> This was, however, clearly written by statisticians that have no teacher friends or family.

Or it's paid propaganda by whoever. In fact, I think this has a higher probability to be true.

I'm married to a teacher and the whole "article" is bullshit.


> Or it's paid propaganda by whoever

I was curious about the site's owner (American Enterprise Institute) and looked them up on Wikipedia to give me context for reading the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute

Half my family are teachers, at least. They spent a huge amount of time outside of a "standard" 40-hour work week preparing lessons, grading, etc. It's a tough profession if you don't love it.


I don't doubt it's a tough profession, but I have trouble squaring how unattractive it is with stats like the small percentage of applicants the Chicago Public School system actually hires, compared to their very large pool of applicants.


I can't be sure, of course, but perhaps more teachers are trained every year than are capable of being employed (due to policy or whatever else). Perhaps Chicago is seen as a more desirous place to live and work than other places. Perhaps the Chicago Public School system has a good reputation or good policies and many people want to work for them.

What possibilities have you considered?


ROTFL

I knew it. The "article" is 100% propaganda.


Paid propaganda or not, I hold that these men have no teacher friends or family, or they would not have written this.


oh good, I wonder if they realize developers frequently refer to GraphQL as gql.


ctrl+f for phenylephrine.

That was my first thought.


I thought I was the only one who figured that out! (not literally, but you know what I mean)

When I took it, after pseudoephedrine was placed behind the counter, I never thought phenylephrine did anything. Turns out that it really doesn't:

https://www.jwatch.org/na39054/2015/09/17/phenylephrine-no-m... https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/04/the-t...


The medicines with phenylephrine are usually labeled 'PE,' which stands for Placebo Effect. Nice of them to be honest with the labeling.


When I had a case of Man Flu I used to walk right past the OTC PE crap and ask the pharmacist for the pseudoephedrine ones from behind the counter. Had to show ID and put my name on a list so they could see I wasn't Walter White. It was like once or twice a year max so not an issue.

But then the war on opiates happened and they removed all OTC codeine. I understand the evidence on codeine's efficacy as an antitussive in the amounts used was mixed but the tablets seemed to work for me. Alternatives like dextromethorphan probably work as well or better but the pseudoephedrine containing cold and flu meds seem to have disappeared instead of being reformulated. I am guessing the market was getting too small and higher volume OTC placebos make more money.


Phenylephrine's efficacy as a decongestant when taken orally is dubious. Still, it doesn't mean it's a useless drug. IV phenylephrine is a standard drug used during anesthesia to counteract the hypotensive effects of opioids and sedatives.


I ended up getting phenylephrine once because I was vacationing in the US. Needless to say, I was not impressed. How do you guys treat colds?


Get real Sudafed from behind the counter.


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