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Trump has stated he intends to bring this plan back... (just sayin' :) )


The plan is about as feasible as "I will make Apple produce all their products in America", so it's not surprising.


Agreed :)


Did he really? Trump says a lot of things, it sure is hard to keep track. It's also hard to tell if he's serious about it.

If he really did say this, then I'm very impressed he knows about it.


He threw darts at a wall and got lucky from my perspective. Basically how he's run his whole campaign.


It certainly sounds right up his alley. Grandiose idea, and fuck the consequences.


Source?


Sorry I can't find it immediately but he was asked about it when Shatner was pushing this and he thought it was a great idea.

I think it fits in with his immediate solution to everything angle that's completely nuts when you stop to think about it.


I really like this idea. Please re-post as-is on April 2nd.


This is great advice, cross-check it but thanks for posting nikanj


I'm expecting a response from angel list here. If one does not happen in closing my account.


I find tying my income to stock highly motivating :)


Maybe in a small company, where your efforts can have a direct, meaningful impact on the company's net worth. For a company as large as Amazon, though... there's so much going on, and so much of it completely unrelated to your personal work, that I feel like it'd be kind of meaningless unless you were in a really high-level management position.


Yup, and it's even worse than that, because the stock price also depends on things beyond the scope of your company entirely.

Your compensation can fluctuate based on what Janet Yellen says in a speech.


I'll have to disagree with your exception as well. Data has shown that CEOs at giant corps have no impact on how things go down. It comes back to your statement of how much is going on. If all the goings on in the corp mesh perfectly with the goings on outside, success happens. A single human CEO can neither be credited for success nor blamed for failure in these cases.

I agree with your premise, but don't give too much credit to "the high level management". Most of them are groping in the dark.


You realize you have approximately 0 effect on the stock price, right? Why would this be motivating to a rational person?


If you're an executive pulling in over $500k, sure stock should absolutely be compensation and motivation. If you're rank and file and need $120k/yr to even afford to live, have kids, save for retirement, etc. in the area, then no stock should absolutely not be the primary means of compensation.


The best argument I've heard on this front is about diversifying risk. If your company tanks and you're rank and file, you're getting laid off and your stock holdings are tanking. Best to not be doubly exposed to the company's risk profile.


That's why I have autosale set up for my stock.


I don't see why it would be more motivating than just getting the current cash value of the stock, in a situation like Amazon's where you _maybe do, maybe don't_ really influence the stock price. Are you saying you write such influential code that you think you will manage to tip things in your favor on such a grand scale?


Very cool page, it's lacking salaries however that would improve the posts quite a lot. Have you heard of AngelList? Their best feature is likely the public salary data.

In BC, 'competitive salary' ranges from 40-160K for the same role :)


There are some ballparks on their page at angel.co: https://angel.co/sendwithus

Having interviewed with them a couple of years ago, I can attest that their team is incredibly nice, and the product is interesting also.


...Have Chess players had a future...?!


Seattle and SF are way beyond Vancouver's unaffordability ratio. Vancouver is cheap.


Software Engineers in Vancouver make ~US$45,000 a year...

It's much, much less affordable there than Seattle or SF, trust me.


Where in Vancouver are you making $45K? I have dozens of companies on file that are seeking engineers in the 80-110K range.


pay is shit in Vancouver especially now due to USDCAD rates.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18UwaThgGikSXzinnLNHx...


Your table is conveniently lacking the salary ranges I've been offered from over a dozen higher paying companies in the city...

  In fact, not a single company that pays well whom I've talked to is on your list other than Amazon and Microsoft  (Whom will pay a whole lot more if you point the spread out to them).


I am the original creator of the spreadsheet.

Proof: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/18UwaThgGikSXzinnLNHx...

I am planning on converting this data to website that will keep track of what tech employers are in the city. Kind of like HackerBatch but just listing companies, not delivering job postings. (Also, it will be available to the public, not just UBC/SFU students. You won't have to get 50 students from your school to sign up like with HackerBatch, either.)

For the moment, I'm protecting the sheet so I have a stable source from which to work. Stay tuned...


> Software Engineers in Vancouver make ~US$45,000 a year...

Which is $60K CAD. If you get roommates, rent can be $600-1000 (again, CAD)/month. Health insurance is $72/month, single-payer, and increasingly being 100% covered by tech companies. You don't have to worry about a car if you live downtown, and transit is good enough that living downtown isn't your only option if you don't want a hellish commute. (e.g. Hastings-Sunrise, Metrotown, New West)


If you get roommates your rent in SF will be ~$2800 CAD, meanwhile you're earning $220,000 CAD a year and your other expenses are pretty much the same as Vancouver.

No way Vancouver is more affordable than SF (if you have to work in tech for a living).


That's not true at all. Vancouver housing prices aren't that far off from SF and the mean salary is about 1/3rd lower than SF.


The housing cost is only comparable to SF for homeowners. Renting is still nearly an order of magnitude cheaper.


Everyone that replied to me is running off of 4 year old data. None of you have any clue what you're talking about.

Heck, just check Angel.co and notice most engineering jobs are >= 100K... and that's just tiny startups kicking off.


Depends on what you're talking about. Vancouver has cheap rent compared to SF rents, but houses are more expensive than SF and Vancouver wages are no where close to what people in SF are paid. It is one of the most unaffordable cities in the world in that regard.


Also there are relatively no jobs in Vancouver. Just a bunch of condos.


Half of all people are below 'median' intelligence :P


Technically shouldn't you say "at least half of all people are at or below median"?

(Sorry, I just couldn't resist. It seemed apropos to the overall conversion. :)


>"at least half of all people are at or below median"

Take the median of

  1 2 5 5 5 5 8 9 11 23 58 46 48 37 28 67 39
Much less than half of the numbers are at or below the the median of 5.

(also median would be a bad way to get an average for this set.)


The average person (median) has less than 2 legs :-D


Nah, the median person has 2 legs, the mean person has less than 2 legs.


Ah! not sure how I confused median and mean :-/


It would, and it does.


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