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So they'd rather lie in their press release.

Yes.

That's...not unusual.

I would strongly to advise you to assume companies are extremely willing to lie in press releases.


Right, but we have to call it out every time.

What? This is basic human social skills.

It’s like when you don’t like someone’s friends but you’re not actually going to say that out loud. Instead you say “I'm just too tired to go out” — it’s a “diplomatic out.” Yes it’s a lie at face value but you leave people with their dignity while simultaneously signal your intent. Your friend, who presumably has social skills, picks up the subtext and you successfully communicate two layers of meaning with one sentence.

Press releases are the same thing.


You're absolutely right, this is basic courtesy, and the sort of polite awareness that everyone should have when dealing in public. If you can't understand why you would often softpedal criticisms in public (while forthrightly addressing them privately!), you're hurting youself.

No, what you call "basic human social skills" is literally opposite of it. Having good social skills also involves saying "this person/institution is lying". Or even "this person/institution is harming people".

Having social skills means also being able to distinguish between innocent nicer phrase, outright enabling and being coconspirator.


I’m sure this is also cultural, but that approach is terrible. Your friend can’t automatically guess you’re lying, not for the first few times, anyway. Of course they’ll believe you if you say you’re too tired to go out. Then they inadvertently catch you or you reject them so many times they start to believe you don’t want to go out with them, not the other friend. All the while they became closer with the other person, who actually did hang out with them.

Stop lying. You’re hurting the friendship. If you care about the person, eventually you’ll have to be an adult and explain why you’re not comfortable with the third person.


You don’t get it. We are all extremely good friends and there is no friendship being hurt.

Talking in private is different where we are bluntly truthful.

This is how we talk in public.

It’s like doing steganography[1] on language. I can pass a secret message to my friend plainly in front of someone else using subtext.

And it’s not even contrived most of the time. Sometimes someone inadvertently leaks out subtext by their posture or tone and an observant person can read that the person is uncomfortable or comfortable.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steganography


So what you’re describing is a situation where the three of you are together and you want to cut the evening short for yourself because you don’t like one of the people? If that’s the case, I don’t think that was at all clear in your original post. Judging from the downvotes and the other responses, I think everyone assumed a situation like your friend calling you up and saying “hey, want to hang out with me and <person you dislike>?”.

Yes.

And press releases are the same way. There is a literal message but often times there is subtext. They can’t say the subtext literally because it is inherently hurtful and burns a bridge (just like me saying “this guy sucks let’s leave”) so you read between the lines.

Outright lying in press releases is different. That’s a company saying “AI caused our company to fail” but actually you invested in the wrong product and don’t want to admit it.


I say: "I don't like your friend because they are a neo-Nazi", and then I don't go out with them.

They Might Be Giants had a cool song on this theme back in the 1990s. Based on net downvotes, I suspect times really have changed.

So they’re working around it and getting paid in another way (via a middleman) while still sending it to the stormtroopers

It may even be that they have no alternative but to lie in their press release. Like say hypothetically they went to Flock and said “I know we have a contract saying we’re gonna do this partnership but given the optics and the amount of heat we’re getting we have to cancel”.

Flock may well have agreed on a break to the contract but stipulated that Flock had to agree to the wording of the press statement and Amazon was not going to disparage Flock yadda yadda.


"Don't worry, Jeff, I have your back."

"Thanks! How sweet! You're laid off."


Huh so weird, companies never do that.

> companies never do that

You must be a company.


Press releases are lies by default.

Press releases are partly to create a paper trail and partly for the stock market.

Happens every single day in corporate PR.

And it's largely legal as long as it doesn't affect their stock price too much in either direction.


“would require significantly more time and resources [to win over the public] than anticipated”, perhaps?

Saying bad stuff about their former business partner could get them sued.

Saying good things can get you sued. The truth doesn't need to be disparaging. If you are uncomfortable about the privacy implications of some action, just say that. You don't have to use words like "evil" or "villian" to express that you are not comfortable with a particular path.

1. Anyone can sue anyone

2. saying false things (not bad things per se) could be expensive


It's not a lie. It's called marketing information.

Yes? Not like we can prove one way or the other.

You really think someone would do that? Just write a press release and tell lies?

Yes?

ryandrake is making reference to arrhur internet lies meme

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iHrZRJR4igQ


I couldn't resist. It was a perfect setup.

You do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in a public space and it is absurd to suggest that people should/could.

Were you replying to someone else?

I have been thinking about this Animal Farm quote a lot recently.

Arch or Endeavour

Copilot being added to the Xbox app on iOS is the latest ridiculous example I've seen of AI being shoved down everyone's throat.


it really is getting ridiculous; atlassian has this other totally useless ai called rovo that invents events/meetings and notes when it tries to summarize a tree of documents and offers random useless "suggestions" for jira docs...


No, it's not. A kilobyte is 1,024 bytes.


So you know what you’re doing here is against the rules and you did it anyway.


The simple solution on Apple platforms is to deny Location Services to Teams in macOS and iOS.¹ Done.

¹ https://developer.apple.com/documentation/NetworkExtension/N...


Apple will provide software and hardware support for any given product for at least 5 years. After those 5 years, you sometimes will still get security fixes.

The reason for this is that newer software will start using hardware features and capabilities that only exist on newer hardware, not because Tim Cook is evilly cackling in his office "hahhahha! Let's force people to buy new Macs!!!"


Erm, isn't the last bit a key part of Tim Cooks job (getting people to buy new apple stuff even if they don't really need it)?


Apple's hardware products generally sell themselves.


If only there was a way to write software that uses the new hardware features if they're available but falls back to a legacy path, if the hardware features were not available.


That introduces complexity to the codebase.


Shit like this just makes me feel more and more that all executives need to be removed.


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