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Charlie Brooker's latest 'Black Mirror' episode touches on a similar subject in a dramatised fashion and it's quite an interesting/thoughtful watch. UK users can catch it on 4OD, it's called 'Be Right Back'.
If I can chime in, my opinion is anecdotal but I think generally true: many programmers dream about building games and so are less driven by money; the game companies then take advantage of that. In contrast, if you are programming databases or sharepoint, you probably have less passion about the domain your working in and will want more money for your trouble.
I don't know why you have to shit on developers outside the games industry as you've done here (perhaps it wasn't intentional?).
I love games, and I have plenty of passion both for them and for programming in general. But the games industry is saturated with developers who got into programing solely to make games, and who only want to make games, and is famous for taking advantage of that. I'd rather not be taken advantage of, and 'passion' has nothing to do with it.
I don't know why you think I said something derogatory or even controversial. I mean, developers might have passion for programming, but sharepoint? There are many jobs out there whose domains are overtly uninteresting to many of us, but they still need to be done and the work itself can be interesting; but companies will still need to pony up a bit more money in a competitive market to get us in the door.
Now game developers wants to be game developers. They don't need much extra incentive. Its like acting in LA or NYC; it takes talent and training, and you can get paid for it, but maybe not as much as being a claims adjuster. Are those actors being exploited or is it just a supply and demand thing? Now, in contrast, how many kids dream of being claims adjusters?
That guy must really like Web Parts. I did not find your statement offensive.
I agree- look at how much money is in mainframe consulting. There is truth to the argument that the more attractive the discipline + focus, the less you have to incentivize.
I took the statement to indicate a lack of passion in programming in general rather than a particular domain. Re-reading I can see the intent. But, thanks for the downvotes anyway.
We decided (in part) that "gittip" doesn't mean anything at all to non-geeks. "All names are stupid until you become rich and famous with it." http://barry.warsaw.us/software/laws.html
We'll reopen the name discussion when either GitHub or Oprah complains.
Isn't email an outdated medium though? I get a lot of email, and messages from family and friends might not get seen for 6 hours (or more). The better comparison here is a text message, but they can still get lost in the noise too.
Por Favor is about making things easy. You say 'yes I can do that' and it reminds you when it's time to act. Nothing more, nothing less.
> I get a lot of email, and messages from family and friends might not get seen for 6 hours (or more).
Why doesn't it get seen for 6 hours?
> The better comparison here is a text message, but they can still get lost in the noise too.
How are you reducing the noise? Imagine now, I have an e-mail client, a SMS client, a todo app, a txt app, 10 gaming apps that all have notifications for me to "do something", how is the issue being solved? My noise is still the same, all I've done is created (yet) another beacon for displaying signals.
ps - Hopefully, I'm not detracting you from your hard work. Trying to provide some honest feedback here that I'm hoping will help you.
Outdated in that it's not targeted. I get all kinds of things into my inbox (I use filters too, but filtered things generally get forgotten about), emails from family, friends, newsletters, alerts when people reply to me on HN. My inbox is like my in tray, a list of things to work on
> Why doesn't it get seen for 6 hours?
Email's distracting, I try and keep it closed as much as possible whilst I'm working.
> How are you reducing the noise?
We're not reducing the noise, we're just turning it into a very specific sound that you recognise. The idea is that if Por Favor pings, you should probably look at it. If a gaming app pings, you can ignore it and look at it later. We're trying to make sure you see things that you need to see, when you need to see them.
> ps - Hopefully, I'm not detracting you from your hard work. Trying to provide some honest feedback here that I'm hoping will help you.
Not at all! It's all very useful. We literally had the idea, threw a site online and posted it on here for feedback. We don't even know if the idea's gonna work yet. We (my partner and I) have a use case for it, but we were wondering if anyone else did too.
Many people don't check their email regularly. I only check my personal email once a day in the evening. If I'm busy or on vacation it can often go several days between me checking my email.
That being said, I agree that I don't see what this adds. I already have email, SMS and phone calls. If you need an answer within a couple of days, email me. If you need an answer within a couple hours, text me. If you need an answer within a couple of minutes, call me. I don't really see where something else can fit in.
It takes away the hassle of remembering to do things. If you call me at 3pm asking me to put the oven on at 4pm, either I 'm busy working and forget or you have to call me at 3:50pm to remind me again. Por Favor automates the reminder step.
Yes, but the site working provides absolutely no reason to actively block it. Display an 'upgrade your browser' message fine, but actively block a certain browser based on user agent string? Ridiculous.
The original Paydirt thread contained some reasonable arguments against including a "Try it anyway" link. For example, to prevent people from clicking through and then complaining anyway.
