> The clearest example of lobbying (chat control) has repeatedly been struck down.

So far. But they’ll keep lobbying and we’ll need to keep fighting.

> What examples of this do you have in recent years (post 2016)?

Digital Omnibus is another.

https://noyb.eu/en/gdpr-omnibus-eu-simplification-far-remove...

https://www.business-humanrights.org/en/latest-news/eu-digit...

> We regularly see legislation that is being rammed and rushed through in spite of vocal opposition.

This implies that regulation is codified. The clear pattern of EU digital regulation doomerism is generally pointing at shitty proposals which aren't approved and codified in law.

Digital omnibus is another proposal.

If "rammed and rushed laws" is legitimately a widespread issue, you should be able to find a good example of something codified which is not just a proposal?

I'm not saying we don't have to fight. But vocal opposition to proposals which ultimately don't make it into law is the system working exactly as intended.

You’re replying to the wrong person. The point you’re quoting was made further upstream.

Who says they eat dairy and eggs? “Vegetarian” isn’t such a simplistic label like that. It doesn’t mean “I eat exactly these things”. For all we know, they eat only eggs and from a local farm (or have their own chickens).

Furthermore, it’s a bad argument to imply vastly reduced complicity with a system is the same as full complicity.

Yes that's what vegetarian means, 99% of the time.

Where did I say "full complicity"? But yes, animals who are farms for milk and eggs are treated just as badly, sometimes worse, than animals that are farmed for meat.

> Yes that's what vegetarian means, 99% of the time.

What’s your source for that claim? I know plenty of vegetarians and there’s not a single one where I could assume they eat both dairy and eggs. I don’t think any of them drink milk (oat drinks and the like are common), only some eat cheese, in very varying quantities (from regularly to almost never), same with eggs.

You are assuming what your parent commenter does.

> animals who are farms for milk and eggs are treated just as badly

Again, you have no idea what your parent commenter does. With eggs in particular, there are different tiers related to the animals’ conditions. It is possible to make more ethical choices.

There are no studies I’m aware of where focusing on a plant-based diet makes you “very ill” and gives you “chronic diseases”. On the contrary, it’s not that hard to be healthier.

Meat, on the other hand, is linked to diseases. Especially red meat and cancer.

https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/about-cancer/causes-of-canc...

So your scenario is more like “imagine telling a parent ‘Give meat to your kid. They will get sick, unnecessarily kill animals (as we all know, kids hate animals, right?), and accelerate destroying the environment (who needs to live in a good environment, anyway, as long as there are burgers?)’”.

"Linked to" in the sense that someone guessed that red meat might cause cancer, devised a bunch of experiments to prove it, and ended up after incredible amounts of effort with a result that shows just on the very limits of statistical significance that perhaps one person in a population the size of the UK might have a slightly elevated risk of cancer, maybe going from one in 15 to one in 14.

So, yes, "linked to".

You're going to die of heart disease, not bowel cancer caused by eating meat, even if you are a vegan. In fact, especially if you are a vegan, as it turns out, if you believe another ever-so-slightly-sketchy set of statistics. I personally don't, but I have noticed a lot of the people I know who eat a vegan diet don't eat particularly healthy stuff.

> I have noticed a lot of the people I know who eat a vegan diet don't eat particularly healthy stuff.

Neither do people who don’t eat vegan, so that’s irrelevant to the point. I couldn’t help notice you skipped over the points of killing animals and accelerating destroying the environment.

You need livestock farming to have arable farming. Growing only plants is phenomenally destructive to the soil.

Every time you eat a "Beyond Meat" burger, you have permanently destroyed a patch of what used to be rain forest and is now crappy farmland about the size of a car parking space.

You need far far far more land for raising livestock for eating than for vegetables. Furthermore, we’re discussing vegan diets in general. No one is vegan and survives solely on Beyond Burgers.

Yes, but you don't use land you could use for arable crops for raising animals all the time.

Also, if you don't turn some of the land you use for arable crops for pasture every few years and chuck some ruminants (cows, preferably, sheep will work too but you need to add lime afterwards) then the soil dies.

Do you know how to grow food?

Maybe ask your wife and kids first. Chances are they would rather not make that trade (and if they did, then you shouldn’t).

> What would I do with 1 trillion dollars to offset the missing 10 years?

Buy every politician and the media to become the effective ruler of your country, then use your influence to improve the lives of your compatriots, overhaul the entire political system and media to add safeguards to prevent anyone from ever again doing what you did, create a just society and become a beacon of hope to the world.

Thank you, you have a very high opinion of me. I think it'd go rather worse than that.

> They are more important to me than my own personal comfort.

Which means you can have a bigger positive impact on their lives by being present than by giving them money.

Maybe, maybe not. At age 60 my kids will be grown up and living their own independent lives. They might even live a long distance from me. There are a lot of variables which might mean I don't see them very frequently anyway. Of course there will still be something lost if they can only visit me in jail for 10 years. But at age 60, I'll statistically only be around for another 20 years anyway and if I'm unlucky, maybe far less than that.

On the other hand, $400m can ensure that for the rest of their lives they and their children and their grandchildren don't have to worry about being able to afford a home, good schools, good healthcare, etc. With future issues such as the rise of AI, global warming, and the erosion of international law, there are many dangers ahead including potential mass disruption to job markets and ability to earn a living. I'd rest easier knowing that I've given my descendants a solid chance of surviving all that, even if it means affecting my relationship with them for 10 years. It's a balance between pros and cons.

Several people in the comments are focusing too much on the 10 years and on if that’s an acceptable trade-off.

It’s worth pointing out no one knew it would be 10 years, not even the judge. The sentence wasn’t “10 years”, it was “indefinitely until we get an answer”. It just so happens that 10 years is when this judge decided “alright, we’re not going to get an answer, no point in the jail time”.

> spelling, punctuation, grammar mainly, the occasional word order change.

All of those you could already achieve with tools before LLMs.

Which grammar tools?

Even the system spell checker in Apple devices points out grammar mistakes. Vale works on the command-line, Grammarly was already a thing before publicly available LLMs. There are also editors like iA Writer (iA, not AI) which highlight clichés, adverbs, nouns, and more.

> People have no problem with receiving obviously llm written answers.

If I asked you for your particular experience on something and got an obvious LLM reply, I might say nothing or I might ask if it was an LLM, but either way I’m unlikely to ask you something or trust you ever again. Which also works for you, I guess, since it’d be one fewer person taking up your time. But if you had instead told me “I’m too swamped to help right now” I would’ve instead offered to help take some burden off your back.

I really love my job and I much more love helping people with the work I do. I also much more prefer talking to people directly than writing emails answering, but it is still part of what I do, when you are an expert at something you want to share and multiply this expertise. You can write it down in a book, or at corporations you write documentation, but people prefer contacting someone, because they have always something the docs don’t tell. So people do so by asking questions. A lot by mail. So in was spending my time explaining stuff but in the context the person who needs it. This took a lot of time and I could not share it with enough colleagues ( a couple of hundred contact me regularly ) and the more you know the more people come to ask. They of course do call or meet with me as well, but then they look for discussion or developing new ideas. So today I can talk and enjoy discussing with them, while my knowledge can continue to be spread, helping the once that just seek to understand to do their job. Since I implemented this loop I get so much good feedback, because when it needs to be fast they send a mail, knowing it will be answered fast. If it is important to interact, they call. The best from all of it. Best time ever :)

That’s a long answer you copied and pasted between two comments. Yet it didn’t address the points in either. Was an LLM involved in writing that response?

If a couple of hundred people in your organisation contact you regularly to ask about procedures, you have a serious documentation problem. If it exists, it will be subpar and/or insufficient. Better someone realises that before you leave and everyone is left hanging. Or perhaps that is part of the goal?

You are right. I copied the reply because I wanted to share my point of view to both of you who had very similar point. A llm would have rewritten my first comment to you and adepted it to the slightly different other one. I think nether of you asked a question, but I can assure you no llm was involved in writing this. You are also right about the documentation issue, docs are a mess, often outdated or very vage to generalize, but not specific enough for individual manufacture specific processes or any other, to many edge cases when you work with >700 suppliers where processes often change from one quarter to another. So experience is all, hard to document but nice to share with an llm with the right context and my addition, because it can adept this quickly to the colleagues request. And yes solving the doc issues is part of the goal.

At least we know it's not AI-generated

Or is that the latest tactic in appearing human-written?

Better calll and telll them!