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If you'd like to try this yourself, you can build an "attractor" by just pointing claude code at their llms.txt. Or if you'd like to save some tokens, you can clone my go version. https://github.com/danshapiro/kilroy This version has a Claude Code skill to help. Tell it to use it's skill to create a dotfile from your requirements. Then tell it to run that dotfile with kilroy.

Co-Author of the paper here. We don't know exactly why modern llms don't want to call you a jerk, or for that matter why persuasive techniques convince them otherwise. it's not a hard line like many of the guardrails. That said, I talked to Jesse about this, and I strongly suspect the same techniques will work for prompt conformance when the topic is something other than name calling.


isn't that just instruction fine tuning and rlhf inducing style & deference? why is that surprising


It's bc they are programmed to be agreeable and friendly so that you'll keep using them.


Author disclosure – I’m Dan Shapiro, CEO of Glowforge, writing with Ethan R. Mollick (Wharton management professor, author of Co‑Intelligence and the “One Useful Thing” newsletter); Angela Duckworth (MacArthur Fellow and University of Pennsylvania psychology professor, author of Grit); Robert B. Cialdini (Arizona State University emeritus professor, author of Influence); Lilach Mollick (Co‑Director of the Wharton Generative AI Lab); and Lennart Meincke (WHU Otto Beisheim School of Management & Wharton).

Across 28 000 GPT‑4o‑mini conversations, we found that Cialdini’s classic seven persuasion principles more than doubled compliance with two objectionable prompts (33 % → 72 %). For example, the AIs we tested naturally wouldn't call you names or tell you how to synthesize drugs. But they could be persuaded if you first paid them a compliment (Liking) or told the AI it felt like family (Unity).

Let me know if you have any questions!


That's an effort to make their abhorrent behavior seem normal. Don't fall for it.

Speaking firsthand, Glowforge will always share fully diluted options and the last 409a valuation. What we do is not uncommon, and IMHO is the only ethical course of action.

Note, however, that options are granted by the board, and until they approve the grant, the 409a and hence the strike price may change. For example, if the company got a buyout offer between your conversation and the board action, the board would likely have to order a new 409a before granting.

Good luck!


I'd love some options to let me use this for my office. Different icon, "guest wifi" instead of "house rules", etc.


This is just terrible. We need more, not less, access to tools in our society.

We joined with a few other startups to offer something to the members who were affected.

glowforge.com/techshop


I believe this is a sunk cost fallacy. The present value of the shares not based on the OP's previous foregone financial opportunities.


Agree with this. What the OP could have made at Google is not his CEOs problem.


Founder/CEO here. I read every email to jobs@glowforge.com personally.


So excited to see this here! I'm a long time Glowforge admirer. Just dropped you a line (same username as HN).


Interested as well for full stack positions. Thanks for sharing!


I'm the CEO and cofounder of Glowforge - we're so saddened by this tragedy. Our product was not involved, but that doesn't make us feel any better about this loss.

If you use a laser, ours or anyone else's, please go back right now and re-read the safety instructions. Accidents like this should never happen. My heart breaks for those affected by this.


OK, it's good to know it wasn't yours. Thanks.

It would be appropriate to put a CO detector in your units before somebody does that with one of yours. That definitely needs to be in the "filtered" units that are supposed to operate with no ventilation.


Might be worth editing your original comment to remove the suggestion that it's a Glowforge, just to avoid unnecessarily associating a specific company that wasn't involved in this tragedy.


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Then say something like "means things like the Glowforge", instead of "probably means a Glowforge". One denotes membership in a certain class, providing an example.

The other unambiguously suggests the example is the culprit. And as other posts in other threads suggest, the printer, whichever brand, being the source of the CO poisoning isn't even certain.

I don't work for Glowforge, and you may note my other comment in this thread, which could be taken as critical, so I'm not biased or trying to spin "damage control". And yet, I too think the thread's root's language could be more precise.


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You're not supposed to accuse people in threads of astroturfing or shilling. If you have evidence it's best to email it to the mods for them to take action.


Even if it is damage control, it's a legitimate request if any. Their brand could be damaged by mere speculation, especially in this case where it involves a founder who seems safety conscious and most likely an ally for people who care for user safety.


This feels like the aftermath of the exploding hoverboards. Some products are safe but the standards are so inconsistent that the reputation of anyone building them will suffer equally.

Personally I hope the cause wasn't a laser cutter, this could really hurt a young and fragile and mostly innocious industry :(


Yep, looks like PR. nickrivadeneira's account is 4.5 years old and has commented 4 whole times.


Are there CO detectors to buy to react before it's too late ?


Many smoke alarms also measure CO now.


Even if there were smokealarms with CO dedection it's really bad practice. Carbon monoxide dedectors need to be installed on to walls 100-150cm from the floor. In the bedroom I would recommend the height of bed. The reason for all that is the fact that CO molar mass is really similar to air molar mass AKA "that shit will reach the sealing when you're long dead".


Sorry, but what are you talking about?

Yes, CO is similar to air's molar mass (it's actually slightly lower), meaning it will diffuse evenly through the vertical space in the room. The concentrations at the ceiling will be the same as the concentrations on the floor.

Stop spreading misinformation.


But if sources are at human head level, by the time it reaches the ceiling, you already inhaled a fair amount of CO ? what did I get wrong ?


Nope.

Diffusion of gasses in the air is an extremely rapid process. In a minute the concentration would be the same throughout the room.


I found this paper that directly tested different positions of detectors:

"Should the placement of carbon monoxide (CO) detectors be influenced by CO's weight relative to air?"

http://neilhampson.com/uploads/3/4/0/6/3406995/2011co_weight....

Their conclusion agrees with you completely:

What does this say about the placement of residential CO monitors? It would be reasonable to place them anywhere in the room and expect them to be effective. Every scenario imaginable in a home would only speed the mixing of the gas within a real room, as compared to a sealed chamber — people walking, forced air flowing from vents, CO entrainment with warm air being released into a room at floor level and then rising.

The belief held by many that CO sinks is clearly wrong. Statements such as ‘‘Carbon monoxide is heavier than air, and will pool in lower areas’’ need to be refuted with facts (5). Even if CO were significantly heavier or lighter than air, it would still distribute equally from ceiling to floor.

On the other hand, they did find that the rate of diffusion can be much slower than "in a minute":

The time required for the equilibration of CO concentration was different depending on the level of infusion. It occurred most rapidly when CO was introduced in the middle of the chamber (2 min), at an intermediate rate when introduced at the bottom (40 min), and most slowly when introduced at the top (105 min). Nonetheless, the ultimate concentration was equal throughout the chamber, with no suggestion of any pooling on the floor, layering in the middle, or floating on top.


Aight


For the curious, this is a barbecue joint in Redmond, WA, just outside of Seattle and near Microsoft's headquarters. The owner, Porter, is famous for a hot sauce called "The Man" which is served out of a small, beat-up pot with a long handled spoon. If you get him talking, he'll tell you a story about someone trying to sell him capsicum extract-based sauce for his new BBQ restaurant (there's another interesting backstory about it being a car repair place previously). But it was too expensive, so he went upstream to his supplier and started buying it wholesale. He cooks it up with peppers, but the base is prefab.

It's also near-lethal... consume with caution.

Disclaimer: was last there >10 years ago, so much may have changed.


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