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#startups is for idiots - never found it useful just the same 5 people blathering constantly and judging newcomers

#debian-mentors on OFTC is nice

Really any channel where a bot posts recent builds...


CVS does not sell alcohol or tobacco


Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.



Those slabs are pretty cool, except this 500 million number. That's Age of Discovery population. Back then, China and India both had like 120 million people each.


Go to tamales point and see the tule elk before they are gone


Tried MX, AntiX or LinuxBBQ to burn your own persistent LiveUSB?


Don't those require booting the computer? It might work, a lot of things are restricted on these computers.


time cat


solarpowered mesh WiFi network - it’s easy and cheap these days with SBCs


man man


GIMP? Chromium? Even as a decade-long gimp user: I absolutely hope not. There is a huuuge difference between GNU/Linux (of which, 32/64-bit and architecture are of course considerations) and packages. I certainly hope they aren’t handicapping the phone by enabling bloated cruft trying to keep up with this crap.

...before the downvotes: I literally use each of these daily with the exception of blender...

Edit: you want to install your own WM without messing with DE? Good luck to you, is nothing good enough? This is the first step toward freedom since the bad guys won!


I don't mean for them to come preinstalled and I don't mean that I personally would typically use all those programs specifically on a phone, but something that sucks about phones is that they have a completely different software ecosystem. If it's a linux phone, I think it should be possible to use the same programs. I can run any linux program on any raspberry-pi which also runs ARM, why not on a phone?

At least, I would like to have the option of having a web browser with a web inspector available using only the phone and the same extensions that are available for desktop.

> is nothing good enough?

I'm just concerned that the consensus seems to be that $700 is too much for the personal value this gives. The marketing even needs to resort to statements like:

> Vote with your wallet to support a future safe from digital exploitation and create a secure and respectful environment for you, your children and society as a whole.

I agree that that's nice, but for me personally, it's not reason enough to buy it at that price. We all understand the reasons why it's $700, but I think being able to install other distros and being able to install any linux app like on any other computer would motivate a lot of people. It would be an additional edge this would have over other phones.

There's at least 1 comment[1] (with upvotes) on that article that shares the view that having few apps and an incompatible ecosystem would be a concern.

This doesn't mean that they must support those programs or other distros, just their possible installation would be enough for anyone I think.

I'm just looking for ways to justify my buying it.

[1] https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/09/purisms-librem-5-pho...


> I'm just looking for ways to justify my buying it.

How about the fact that you can connect a monitor, keyboard, and mouse — and use it as a full desktop Linux machine running any desktop apps you like?


I’m sure gimp etc would have to package a specific .deb to run on this thing - unless as you’re saying you really might be able to mess with init system and startx.


I had the original Palm Pre... after two years HP cancelled the Palm Pre 2 and other upcoming phones after WebOS tanked (was mismanaged absorbed into nonpublicfacing IP). I did a Debian chroot and used the phone as a Wi-Fi only thinclient for another year then sold it (3 years of use!) for more than I had paid for the phone. In my opinion this is the first phone to rival the Palm Pre which ran Debian at its core. I look forward to owning the first phone that I will truly enjoy in over 7 years. Corporatism and clueless consumerism has not won yet. This is still truly a bastion of freedom compared to the way COMCAST/AT&T took over mom-and-pop ISPs then deleted all copper. The fight is not lost! Happy hacking!!


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