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If you care about your food being warm enough to eat, why not just pick it up yourself?

I got a glimpse of this "delivery economy" myself last week, so

Self pick-up was:

>2x faster (20min vs ~40min estimate, probably more in the end), could be better if I actually knew the area and picked a better parking spot

>1/3 cheaper (total dropped from 30$ to 20$. I'm not from the US, and make roughly 6$/hr, so the sum is more significant than it seems)

>food was probably generally more fresh, but I don't eat sushi much, so can't tell the difference

>also, food was probably less banged up, because I'm not on the clock and don't drive like a madman

some counterpoints:

> we were already driving home from somewhere, the place was the opposite way though

> we live in a dense city, but not too dense, so owning a car and driving it around is possible even on a not so large income, but everything is pretty close

Generally, my family never stopped doing things "the old way", we barely use any delivery services, taxi, and everything the gig economy is involved in. Likely saves us good amount of money in subtle ways. Also, specifically not giving money to those platfoms is a minor benifit in my book.

I get there are people who are disabled, busy (parents with small children, ...), and so on, but it seems to me that for most people the barrier is psychological, and is about task/mode switching more than actual time and effort.


All of these are trade offs people who get food delivered are aware of, its not new information.

The only one I disagree with is the "2x faster". Yes, the time from when you start thinking about food to eating food might be halved, but food delivery is basically zero time. I dont need to do the getting the food portion. So, 0 minutes vs 20 minutes.


I live a 20 minute bus trip away from the nearest takeaway. And like 55% of the people who live in Edinburgh I don't have a car. So delivery is totally worthwhile to me.

(And I appreciate that it's worth paying for prompt delivery. I am baffled that enough people are happy with cold food that it's not the standard.)


https://overpass-turbo.eu/s/1Wqq

Basically this

Fiddle with the query, and you can extract pretty much whatever you want from the OSM database


The most obvious approach I can think of would be some sort of post-application questionnare and comparing that to the companie's job posting, sort of, stats.

Say, the company has a lot of job postings, but the all the applicants say they're auto-rejected. That's a decently clear indicator.

Also, if you link your linkedin/stackoverflow/github or something, there could be a more or less automatic way of evaluating you as a candidate in general and your fit for this/similar position, which could be fed back into the post-interview questionnare processing. Obviously, not that good a way to evaluate candidate fitness, but a way nonetheless.

Rings privacy alarm bells, but oh well. Someone could build a decentralized version of it which would work via a browser extension. And, actually, 3rd party hiring companies have a way better relationship with the companies hiring than with the candidates, so I very clearly can see this mechanism weilded against us.


Garmin Connect is actually fairly decent. Tracks activities (also sleep, which I find pretty useful), fairly detailed stats, little to none social features and a little gamification with challenges and achievements.

Also the watch reminds you to move from time to time.

Komoot is great for planning of "trips" and "stealing" other people's routes. I've done couple of them and you kind of never know what you're gonna see there (hopefully not agressive dogs), all of them were pretty enjoyable. It has a bit of a social aspect, but barely anyone uses it where I live, so IDK how it is.

One thing I miss from Strava are segments (or whatever they're called) - short parts of your route with it's own leader-board. Has "speedrun, but IRL" vibes, which is pretty cool IMO.


Garmin connect also has segment feature. Might have to set it up on the website, not sure.


It is default, but unless your activities are public, your data isn't included. It will still tell you where your recorded activity would rank (and a CTA to change the privacy). I have a couple of somewhat popular segments I ride. I try to stay in the top 100.


Yeah I use Komoot a fair bit for planning rides and hikes, it’s great and pretty widely used here in Germany.


You can download one of the dozens of OSM-editing apps like: - streetcomplete - vespucci - everydoor and either add that information yourself or leave a note for other people


If I had the information I wouldn’t be looking it up.


I guess the point of the parent is that if more people were contributing information, then you would get it from OSM.


For relatively static info, sure. For real time bus/rail status you need integrations to countless public transit systems. For stuff like store times, etc, you need sufficient market power so that business owners are incentived to provide that info.


> business owners are incentived to provide that info.

Business owners usually provide it on their door. I added opening hours to many places, and importantly I didn't have to add opening hours to many other because they already had them.

> For real time bus/rail status you need integrations to countless public transit systems.

For public transportation, I personally usually need to buy a ticket, which Google Maps doesn't provide. So I use the public transportation app of the country in question. For countries where public transportation are public, which usually implies an app, of course. Countries that have broken public transportation won't work the same, but anyway the public transportation is broken there :-).


I added/updated hundreds of opening hours to OSM. A few people updating the opening hours to the shops they go to is already worth a lot.


And did you update it again a few days later when they changed their opening hours?

Google - a real person - calls every week to update.


Maybe this is a cultural difference, but in my city opening hours are pretty stable. Sometimes they're even engraved in the store sign. There are exceptions though.


lol yeah that’s not a thing here.


OrganicMaps lets you also add points and attributes to OSM.


I seem to remember they have a history of incorrect tags or tag combinations being applied by their software though. Not sure what the current state is but may be something to look into before using OrganicMaps as a mapping application when there's other good options


And you can import gpx files into it also.


Why should he/she labour for free for the shop owners?


I sure wish shop owners updated their hours. But in the end OSM is better if I do it, and others do it. It's called collaboration.


How do you think google maps got such a good database of these things? When I last used it, Google maps used to actively ask you for this sort of information.


And the tragic thing is that Google the monopolist rides on people's helpful inclinations then turns around and sells their contributions.

I actively avoid contributing to that corp. Not even marking spam. Let them drown in the fruits of their own incentives.


The shop owners also put their hours onto Google Maps, or paid somebody to do it. You shouldn't labour for free for Google either.

Even if you managed to help a shop get hundreds or thousands of new customers by updating their online information, they wouldn't even give you a cup of coffee if you asked. More likely they'd spit in your face.

For most physical businesses that are open to the public, correct information on map services are by far their most important advertising. Yet, they neglect this and spend thousands on billboards, social media, radio spots, etc. If they are failing as business owners, that's their own problem.


I think they even robocall stores with something similar to Assistant to check if they're open on holidays, which is definitely something that would be difficult for a smaller or community-run database to accomplish at scale


>exploiting lonely people

>lack of self control

Not quite "been there, done that", but anecdotally being lonely/alone accelerates and reinforces any "mental illness"-ish behavior. "Eating your own dogfood" type of thing, but in a bad way - it's a positive feedback loop, probably with combination of feeling guilt, inferior, being ashamed, not wanting to admit you messed up, and so on.

What I'm saying is - could be you, or me, or anyone else really. If the psyop is good enough and there isn't an external support structure to provide a "reality check", it's actually fairly easy to fall into this rabbit hole.


Again, returning to the "it's not the internet itself, but the content on it" thing.

Facebook and microblogs use the same infra and can be accessed via the same means (web browser, etc).

At least from anecdotal experience, the really good stuff has been getting easier to find through IRL-ish means, like asking a colleague for the invite link.

I haven't really seen behind the invite veil much, since I'm about as far as it gets from someone cool you'd want in your group chat, but from what I've seen, "good" things are happening and thoughts are thought. It's just happening in private.

There were comments or an article somewhere about someone being sad about "very deep technical discussions being held on discord servers and that knowledge being ultimately lost". I don't think it's that bad of a thing though since that knowledge was never intended for the public and being ultimately lost and forgotten is what the people writing said messages are expecting of it. Certainly, as a person, I care more about myself having less of a digital papertrail than someone in the indefinite future not being able to solve their nieche non-essential problem.

I could elaborate more on the "onlyfans has replaced sex" and the such, which are, IMO, while somewhat true, are conclusions to which the author arrived to from a wrong place, thus continuing to think in that direcion would get them further from the truth, not closer to it.

In the end, just as human brain is a sort of general purpose multimodal input-output machine, the internet can be used for all sorts of purposes. The good ones will stay, the bad ones will fall out of fashion, without getting a solid cultutal foothold. The test of time works as well as ever.


It might be better to instead say, what does a discord server offer to you that a mailing list does not for your technical user group? I think most people are on discord because its fashionable and they are unfamiliar with older technology like mailing lists, which were more common place when they were only children perhaps.


> what does a discord server offer to you that a mailing list does not for your technical user group

Having to click on multiple links to just make sense of a conversation?

It's the reason I can't even get myself to follow places like NANOG and LKML; because the experience is just so painful. It makes you almost immediately want to disengage from the subject matter.


I'm almost never looking for a mailing list. I've been on the internet for 20 years and they never fill the same niche as IRC. Same for discord. mailing lists can't do what it does.


I've never successfully used discord, sure I have an older computer and slow internet but I just don't understand why facebook and the like are fine but discord never displays for me.


I would love mailing lists to be a thing again, but the experience of using email is just so bad for me. The sheer amount of unsubscribing I have to do to make it usable - not even taking spam into account - makes email a place I don't want to spend any time.


Staying one step ahead of HR and lawyers? They monitor everything you do over email.


You should never use your work email for anything that isn't work-related.


What exists in life besides work?


By far, the majority of my time "online" these days is spent in a Discord server for enthusiasts that are also interested in my hobby. Due to the server's small size and narrow niche, moderation is straightforward and we rarely have any issues with trolling. We don't allow political discussion, which mostly allows members of diverse backgrounds to interact safely, since triggering discussions don't come up very often.

It's not even a particularly novel idea, right? Chatrooms have been a thing just about since packet switching was a thing, this one is just a polished implementation of that idea. Trouble is, the one metric that matters to Google (inter-linking, engagement, etc) can't happen when the content can't be crawled in the first place. So our pleasant, intellectually simulating content stays hidden where the rest of the internet never notices it.


Chatrooms used to be for idle chit chat, banter, and quick questions, but are now being used for deeper technical discussions. Ironically, you find a lot of this on places like Reddit, including an excess of uninformed and repeat questions.

I am of the opinion that Discord does any niche community a great disservice by first locking content behind an invite link and, once invited, content is locked behind pages and pages of search results if the content is even still available.

I’m sure there is bias on my part because I cut my teeth on forums of the ‘00s to the mid ‘10s, but the siloing and fragmentation of information has ultimately divided up centers of knowledge into smaller and smaller pieces. Those in the know will know and those not will be shut out.


There are many within our community which share this viewpoint, and any time we do serious technical research the general sentiment is to move that onto our forums or wiki, specifically to make it discoverable.

I personally don't socialize on the forums though. My unfiltered thought process doesn't need to be searchable for the next century. It's okay for some communication to be ephemeral.


Political decisions and sex are part of being a human being so I encourage communities to sometimes do that. Not all of them, but we need more spaces for adults to be adults. Too many hacker spaces are sterile in this way. Moderation is worth the challenge.


The specific space I participate in is a game development community. Due to it's very nature, it attracts minors. Because we keep our doors open, we have a strong incentive to keep the discussion clean, and generally we find that political discussions get hateful extremely quickly, which is the main motivation.

Thankfully there are lots of other servers that have more lax inclusion of adult topics, if that's your fancy. I think it's okay for different communities to have different standards.


Kinda lame compared to what other people post here, but this is what probably 90% of the "I just use it myself" software is IRL:

- the most "impressive" one right now, though barely realized since I've just had the idea this week, is a debug/log library that spawns child multiple processes with consoles attached (since you can allocate just one console to a process in windows) and allows for debug info stream separation and rich-ish text features like color

- i've started writing a custom "set of commands" (90% IO, tied to a specific hardware modules, no algebraic functions or anything, so not exactly a programming/scripting language) language specifically for, sort of, programming-illiterate people so that they could easily implement test algorithms without asking software devs to do it. It got nowhere bc I didn't have time to implement it

But my a high level hardware emulator I'm using to debug GUI in production-ish environment uses whatever is left of it.

- environment management software that assigns PATH and other variables. Those commonly ship with software, but I havent really seen people writing their own for general env management

- my friend couldn't get Sony Vegas to produce good chromakey results, so he cobbled together some javascript to do it

- I've built a python notebook to analyze my bike rides combining Garmin Watch (gps + HR) and OSM data (estimating speed vs power vs road conditions).

- since (last I've checked was like a year ago) cmake devs value json adherence over readability in CMakePresets, I've written some scripts that convert jsonc to json. Also, those can convert string arrays to strings and add other QoL and readability improvements

- also, since CI/CD pipeline at work uses pretty old cmake that doesn't support presets and is a ton of work to upgrade due to it being airgapped (I will not elaborate), I've written a script that converts a preset into a shell script. Not completely, just the options I use.

- i guess a lot of custom diagnostic software I've written at work, though that doesnt really count since this is what I'm actually supposed to be doing, instead of most of the above and jeneral software shenanigans


>In those cases, understanding the bussiness tends to be far more important than understanding the user experience.

Never understood the take that internal systems need a good UX because they very much do. Having been a consumer of ass-backwards designed software components, bad UX (apis, functions, other stuff) will inevitably propagate through the product and will rear their ugly head somewhere. Not to speak about "friction" and development velocity and so on.

Why yes, implementing this feature will cost you something like 2 hours. Not implementing it will either cost someone 4 hours to do it themselves or two hours over and over again to code around the lack of it. Please don't waste other people's time.


But all good apis are the same. You don’t need to care about baseball a lot to make your baseball api usable


>The library developers push back and say "Can you point to one real-world vulnerability where the library is actually used in the way that the CVE says constitutes a vulnerability?"

From my understanding of the article, the developer suggested people provide not a "real-world vulnerability" but an example of one - a small project that exposes said vulnerability and steps one has to take to abuse it. And what he got irritated about was lack of such examples.

More so since he had been effectively email-DDoSed and had to chase some entity to mark the vulnerability as resolved, which probably took orders of magnitude more time, energy and soul from him, than actually fixing the bug.

But the _actual_ problem is the thanklessness (preferably material) of the work put into such open source projects, developer burnout and what not. Guy probably made like 1000$ total off of those millions of downloads per week. Understandably, he doesn't want his time being seemingly wasted discussing and fixing such seemingly unimportant issues.

Making open source materially rewarding and a more or less legitimate occupation is the real issue.


there's an example in the first reference link associated with the CVE: https://cosmosofcyberspace.github.io/npm_ip_cve/npm_ip_cve.h...

Granted, it's basically if(function_from_lib(user_input)) make_http_request(user_input) , which imo seems like a bit of a forced example, but it is an example


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