There's more than a subtle misogyny to the anti-OF messaging people throw around, not to label the grandparent comment as falling into this issue.
I have seen comments along the lines of "Onlyfans spotted, opinion dismissed," numerous times online under posts/videos completely unrelated to a content creators OF business. The idea that a person is a sex worker and therefore a slut (in a derogatory rather than reclaimed sense) and therefore they and their opinions are worthless, is the unstated logic of this sentence.
The misogyny drips off of the concept of an Onlyfans lessening someone.
Really? I always saw that as a similar reaction to what you may see here on HN when people dismiss an article because it's written by a party trying to (subtly) push their (possibly semi-related) product. In other words, it's a defense (perhaps unjustified in many cases) against being manipulated by the poster.
The thing is that they singled out the platform known for putting the control in the hands of women rather than making the broader point about guerrilla marketing.
Would you celebrate the choice of entering sex work like, say, that of someone entering medicine or law?
“You’d make such a good porn star!”, we could say encouragingly to a new grad considering between OF and Stanford.
No, we wouldn’t, because despite a weird and deliberate normalizing effort in some corners of the Internet, it’s an intrinsically degrading field run by pimps physical or digital now, and an existential history of abuse and degradation.
Would you celebrate the choice of someone entering the garbage disposal field? Sex work seems to be singled out in these arguments somehow. I would again tie that back to misogyny, in the sense that a man working a demeaning job is seen to only demean himself, but a woman is seen to demean her father and family, let down all of society, and raises these questions of "how would you feel if it was your daughter?"
But that's not actually what I was arguing. My point was that women who produce their own content to sell on OnlyFans are generally treated with a contempt that isn't applied to men who hire women to produce the same content for them.
Not every job is glamorous. Would you be proud of your child for becoming a garbage man? "You'd make such a good garbage man!", we could say encouragingly to a new grad considering between sanitization engineering and Stanford.
Probably not, yet society depends on garbagemen to function smoothly. And we should be happy that in the modern era people can pursue unglamorous careers, and be accepted by society, and not suffer from the abuse and degredation of times past. Society is improving. It's only a dwindling number of bigots who look down on people because of their career choices.
Garbage collection is similar to other male trades - they tend to be stable, respectable (although not the level of law/med to be sure but certainly among blue collar work), often well paid for the entry reqs.
Did humans stop abusing one another and I missed it, and all the harms of being used sexually by the world are gone now?
>It's only a dwindling number of bigots who look down on people because of their career choices.
Women have some of the strongest opinions against sw, so you have the floor if you want to attack that half.
Garbage collectors sell their body to a much greater degree than many sex workers. Male-centered fields that sell their body are celebrated, but female-centered ones are degraded. It is, indeed, misogyny.
I would be much safer making porn than being in the army, or even working in a warehouse. It would be less taxing on my body.
You experimented with your reduction in language such that it’s a banality now.
However, submitting to pimps is degrading, submitting to the violence and extreme sexual behavior of sex clients is degrading, and at least in most societies, losing one’s social place to perform sex work is also degrading.
Not all sw’ers, sure, some sw’ers are wealthy, sure a few are.
It’s just extreme arguments of the extremely online. Zero parents in this thread are encouraging their daughters to participate in such an industry.
None of the things you're critiquing are intrinsic to sex work and your argument is that it is intrinsically degrading. You made the point that work isn't intrinsically degrading, since you don't consider working in prestigious fields like medicine or law to be, nor do you consider working in physically demanding and less traditionally prestigious fields like garbage collection. I pointed out that sex isn't degrading either, since it isn't, sex is just something people do with each other.
So, since the only things intrinsic to sex work are that you're performing sex as a form of labour it raises the question; Where does the intrinsic degradation lie? In the labour or the sex?
Adult content is whatever is deemed to be objectionable and abhorrent to the dominant social group within a culture and that which needs to be censored and hidden from public view. Beyond a desire to "protect the children" from sex, violence, and drugs. It is a desire to hide and suppress dissent around major social issues. It is a desire to label representation of trans liberation and queer lives as adult, obscene. And it is a desire to label realistic representations of history such as Maus and others as unsuitable for children.
This effort is because once labeled adult it is broadly socially acceptable to do anything and everything necessary to hide a concept from public life.
A specific recent example is Itch.io's recent removal of all content labeled adult, stemming from coordinated pressure by Collective Shout. The block has led to the hiding of some content labeled as lgbt, despite not containing adult content or being labeled that way.
Ahhhh. A Graphical Night (Elie Weisel) then. That's considered obscene? It was required reading for me growing up. Understanding the plumbable depths of human cruelty was considered a worthy expenditure of the education system's time... Might be different now though.
Maus was subject to one of the many ongoing book bannings in the United States and was removed from multiple libraries due to containing "adult content."
It's got some depictions of violence that I think parent groups object to, so that kind of obscenity. There's technically nudity in some of the dead bodies I guess?
Is this surprising? People have been crying out about the effects of privatisation for years. When basic services mandatory for modern human life like water, ISPs and energy are privatised you end up with funds that could end up going towards investment or towards funding other public services are instead funnelled out towards shareholders.
The generational wealth the UK had in the form of North Sea oil passed off to private interests for their own profit rather than used for the creation of a sovereign wealth fund like the ones Norway has is a perfect example of the sort of backwards situation you end up in. That oil could have been used for the benefit by every member of the UK public and instead is used only for the benefit of the few while the public suffers under outrageous energy and cost of living increases.
Well parts of Scotland are. As arethuza said, in the North East of Scotland saw some local benefit. A few people became very wealthy, and many people hopped up one or two social classes through the jobs that were created (and bought nice cars + homes, sent their kids to nice schools). But it wasn't anywhere near the sort of multi-generational wealth that Norway built up.
Shetland managed to do a little bit better and built up a pretty sizeable fund (something like GBP20k/resident), but I'm not super familiar and don't know what they do with it.
The North East of Scotland around Aberdeen certainly did benefit from the oil and gas industries. However, I doubt if this made up for the collapse in heavy industries elsewhere in Scotland.
I didn't say human life, I said modern human life. At this point, and especially considering the recent pandemic and the lockdowns that lead to large swathes of the public having to work from home, internet connections are a non-optional component of participation in society. Especially as more and more services go digital only, for example bank branches closing in favour of online only services.
However, you're right that ISPs aren't the right target, open infrastructure for the network to operate on is closer to what I meant.
I don't think that is true. The biggest consumers of health care are the elderly and many of them (possibly most) don't have the ability to navigate online services.
Then book a doctor's appointment at a library, café, or if you truly have to do it at home a neighbour would surely spin up a hotspot for you in the 5 minutes it takes if it's a dire emergency.
Someone with no home connection to the Internet is still way ahead of anyone in the 20th century, where you often needed to travel in person to various government offices throughout the year for things that can now be trivially done online.
No, but internet access is a requirement for many mandatory interactions with the government and various service providers so even if you can breathe without internet access you're going to be doing so from a cardboard box. Unless you want to lead a normal life you are not able to live without internet access in many developed countries. Bit by bit all alternative pathways to interact with parties that you have to interact with are phased out.
It seems relatively straight forward (famous last words) to assess whether actual copyrighted text is embedded within the network. If you can prompt output that includes verbatim extracts when the copyright avoidance post-processing is disabled then you know that it has been consumed.
Of course whether that was purposeful or inadvertently as a part of the larger training set would not be determined but you would know that the text is in there.
>If you can prompt output that includes verbatim extracts
If I create a program that picks random words from a dictionary and I end up with a seed that generates that text verbatim, then does that mean my program contains the copyrighted text?
You might be able to craft an intricate prompt that just happens to recreate that copyrighted text. Run it enough times until you get it verbatim and done.
> you can prompt output that includes verbatim extracts when the copyright avoidance post-processing is disabled then you know that it has been consumed.
No, you know that likely that part was consumed. You would need to show that it will generate arbitrary passages from the text.
And LLMs are inherently random, so proof that this happens is very difficult to obtain and showing that it is actual output nearly impossible, especially if you just have API access and can't use the model directoy (e.g. fix the RNG seed).
If you have that you can debate if it is/isn't fair use.
When you get down to it none of that matters. The people driving uptake, the actual users, have their lives made easier by the Discord set up.
I think that’s what’s missed here. People take the path of least resistance towards info or participation. It’s not surprising that Discord became the go to in comparison.
Two of your points require users to make new accounts for each service. That’s an active detriment to usability. A major one. The alternative is clicking a link and you’re in with your identity already set up in an app with a nice looking UI with all the features people know. Unless that ease of use is available an alternative just is not going to compete.
This leads to a tragedy of the commons type situation where people trade away genuine long term benefits like discoverability and archiving capabilities because that doesn’t factor into the day to day experience which is what drives actual uptake.
You're mostly right but you're ignoring the elephant in the room, which is search. Not even public search engine crawlers, but search within a Discord server by the server users. On a busy server, it's nearly impossible to find anything after the fact, especially so in a topical server where the majority of threads are talking about largely the same subject matter.
The thing is, for many communities public search is an anti-feature. This is obviously true if the community is private, but most public communities are centered around something that's monetizable. The incentives to create promotional content in established communities where there's search is much higher.
Volunteer mods then have to deal with people who's entire job is monetizing their community and eventually give up - causing the community to rot.
Search just isn't worth it for anyone actually making the content.
zoomer here. that's the thing - I use Discord because when chatting casually, shitposting, and sharing memes I don't want my message to show up on Google tomorrow
Yes it's hard to say. Sometimes it's when I feel like it's a natural time for a break, but also maybe whatever it is (that the audio tickles in my brain) becomes fatigued or used up.
Either way the silence gives a great feeling of relief. I sleep with a noise generator in my room and can't really do without it (tiny noises fill me with adrenaline at night) but when I wake up and turn it off my body loves me for returning the silence.
Is this fundamentally different from training a human exclusively on the same and expecting them to advance the field of art by a hundred years? These sorts of progressions in humanity are slow and steady with occasional exceptions that produce leaps.
They may be slow, especially by machine standards, but they do occur. Their pace isn't really relevant to my point.
And humans are trained on the same; unlike AI, we don't have any external supply of art to rely on : ) At any given time, all we have is what we've already created so far
I would actually say that humans have an enormous extra set of data that we, as people, are "trained" on. We walk around in our daily lives, seeing things constantly, and that influences our perception of art. Art is always a product of the broader context it was made in (social, environmental, etc). Something that gets accepted or praised today might very well not have been 200 years ago.
One of the things that is interesting with these new big models is it is dramatically broadening the context in use. The models are learning both the textual representation of a concept, as well as the artistic/visual representation and the relationship between the two domains.
That's true, but this is exactly the unsurpassable limitation of AI's creativity.
It can generate art out of art. It can do it exquisitely well. But it lacks experiential/social inspiration. This component only comes from recycling here.
(Without the atmosphere of industrializing 19th century Central Europe - we have no Kafka. You can't simply generate Kafkauesqueness out of pre-existing literature.)
And that's why I refuse to believe AI can be creative in a meaningful sense of the word.
Obviously it's not AI's "fault", so to speak, but that's kind of beyond the point :)
PS. I can imagine - now we're going far into the realm of s-f - truly sentient AIs producing art that's genuinely creative. Art actually stemming from a self-conscious AI's psychological experience. But then it would probably be utterly incomprehensible for us : ) "If a lion could speak, we could not understand him", as the philosopher remarked.
This is why I am so grateful for GitHub reviews; Being able to group comments to fire off all at once has saved me from this multiple times as I continue reading, realise something, and remove a previous comment.
In fact you reminded me of the technique right now to check the responses and make sure nobody else had already said this!
On the other hand, someone coming after you might read the code in the same order and have the same wtf moment. They may even never find that later piece you saw in the review. So at the least it should still be a signal to the Author that it appears strange.
I also really like this feature of GitHub reviews and when deleting a comment as I continue reading I try to question whether to add a code comment so the next person doesn't get tripped up because they don't have the full context in their head.
I love postgres.app, such a great solution. It always bothered me though that https://postgres.app would just 404 whenever I'd go to look up the docs or go to install on a new machine.
Hopefully a few other people have had their lives made a tiny bit easier by the redirect I set up.
[see reply]~~~I'm sure it's done with the best of intentions, but, alternatively, it's squatting, MITMing, etc. and the server should probably be rejecting requests not for the official 'postgresapp.com' hostname?
(Maybe there's not really any attack here - though downloads? - but imagine 'pay.pal' or something. AFAIK servers should be configured only to permit intended hosts, they allow '*' but I don't know when that's what you want?)~~~
I have seen comments along the lines of "Onlyfans spotted, opinion dismissed," numerous times online under posts/videos completely unrelated to a content creators OF business. The idea that a person is a sex worker and therefore a slut (in a derogatory rather than reclaimed sense) and therefore they and their opinions are worthless, is the unstated logic of this sentence.
The misogyny drips off of the concept of an Onlyfans lessening someone.