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No you don't have to listen, you can walk away.


Being driven away is exactly why rules and legislations like these exist, so that no one has to "walk away" because of hateful people spattering their bullshit.


Not always. As soon as hate becomes widespread enough walking away besomes impossible. That's why things like Holocaust denial are so dangerous is being left unchecked.


The first time I ever encountered a neo-nazi, I was walking along minding my business during my lunch hour and a complete stranger walked up and punched me in the face.

There's an analogy between real and virtual spaces that often seems to be overlooked. If someone is holding a sign on a street corner saying 'the holocaust didn't happen' then I may find that quite objectionable but I can choose to go and remonstrate with the person or conserve my psychic energy and ignore them. On the other hand, if I'm having a discussion about history and a person comes up tries to force their way into the conversation, my walking away is ceding them the space that I formerly occupied.

In the physical world there's a cost to moving around and and physical constraints on people, so if I hear someone on the other side of town is holding an objectionable sign I have to decide whether I care enough to physically go there. that calculus might change if the objectionable message were on a billboard or an objectionable speaker were holding a rally with amplified sound, in which case I might consider it more worth my while to refute their prominent or loudly-staged opinion.

In the virtual world distance isn't a practical factor so it becomes trivially easy for people in different communities to raid each other and engage in semantic provocations, often with few consequences. Interestingly, there is some evidence that responding to provocation with aggression is more effective in deterring raiding behavior than politely ignoring it: https://snap.stanford.edu/conflict/

It should be borne in mind that the object of raiding (whether for sport as in MMORPGs or for deadly serious reasons as in military conflicts) is to drive people out of territory that they occupy. Getting them to walk away by being sufficiently obnoxious is not directly violent, but is often predicated on an implicit threat of violence.


Exactly how is someone not believing in the holocaust, hate speech? Aren't people allowed to have their own opinions anymore?

Are Flat Earther's next to be classified as hate speech because they also believe something different?

The message FB is sending is; if you have a different opinion to the mainstream you are inciting hate speech.

Why can't people believe whatever they want to? I thought we were free to think, to feel, to believe what we wanted.


You’re free to believe and think what you want. But if you believe that the Holocaust didn’t happen, Facebook isn’t obligated to let you use their platform to spread your beliefs to others.

In this case, as with others, they’ve identified that spreading lies about the reality of the Holocaust is hate speech, and they’re going to remove it from their platform.


Yes, this is stated in the Vedic literature of the Srimad Bhagavatam, where it states in detail that our universe, which is one of millions, is created and destroyed with each breath of Vishnu;

"In Hinduism, a Kalpa is indicative for creation and dissolution of a universe. However, there are a few cycles of time mentioned in Hinduism, which consists of several iterations of such "Kalpa"-s. First one of them is referred as "One Month of Brahma", which consists of 30 Kalpas and successive dissolution phases. Each Kalpa in the series are distinctly identified by different names. Current "Kalpa" is referred to as "Sweta-Baraha", next one will be "Neel-Lohita". Combining 12 such "Months of Brahma", one year of Brahma is formed. 100 such years of "Brahma" is called as a "Maha-Kalpa". Length of a Maha-Kalpa is almost 310 Trillions years. 8000 such "Maha-Kalpa"-s form one "Yuga of Brahma", whose length is 2.4 Quintillion years. There are other greater cycles whose lengths are 22.3 Sextillion years, 670 Sextillion years and 201 Septillion years respectively."

https://legendofbharatbarsha.home.blog/2019/12/07/detailed-h...

Scientists really should read the Vedas.


I never realized that there is soooooo much kiddie porn on Facebook that it warrants creation of "back-door access" :-) no pun intended, for governments to spy on people's private communication so as to SAVE THE CHILDREN.

riiiiight.


I pity the fools who rely on these maps for real-time directions. Whatever happened to reading a map and making mental notes? What ever happened to people being able to follow street signs and using your common sense?

How did we become so utterly dependent on this technology that only a generation ago was unnecessary?

Driver-less cars with AI powered navigation coming to your house in the not too distant future. It will plot the most efficient course to get your meat-sack self from your house to the corner store to buy bread & milk....and you don't need to think at all about what your legs are doing. That is if you even still walk. Maybe you are so lazy you will order by the noise-polluting drone delivery service.

People marvel at tech, and don't misunderstand my rant, Google Maps, Openstreet Maps etc are extremely useful in researching places, but, we should not become reliant to the point where we cannot function without them. Otherwise we are becoming mindless zombies in this ever tech-infested world of ours where we are loosing basic skills such as navigating from point A to point B.

Very sad state of affairs.

https://www.wired.com/2013/09/navigate-without-gps/


> I pity the fools

I got no time for this jibba jabba!


Mr.T does not use the words jibba jabba


This video of Mr. T saying those exact words begs to differ.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHXhGEIAXpE


Not really Mr T from the A-Team is it, but, ok, fair enough. Jibba Jabba.


Good way to reduce your plastic consumption....NOT!, by unnecessarily 3D printing the housing for this project.

Sure the plastic will be here for a long time after we have all parted this earthly plane.

Just because you CAN do something doesn't mean you should.


> went on to show that from their point of view they weren't all that bad.

Exactly, just like the Nazi soldiers weren't all that bad either but they were just following the orders of their superiors and believed in a united Germany. But really they were ok.


low-middle income people making ends meet? just like storm troopers in Star Wars


> Tribal instincts reduce the ability to challenge bad ideas because no one wants to get kicked out of the tribe.

Spot on. In the work place, this is toxic. Especially if on top of this fear of being kicked out, you have a psychopathic boss.

What happens in this scenario? Bad decision after bad decision with workers even though they know it is wrong, won't challenge out of fear.

>So people either willingly nod along with bad ideas, or become blinded by tribal loyalty to how bad the ideas are to begin with.

Damn office sheep....


Office culture is pathological, but I think the extreme rejection-aversion people have is, within the modern world, least maladaptive in the office environment.

We're built to overreact (relative to our modern context) to social rejection because we evolved in small groups. In the bad old days, being rejected or embarrassed in front of your tribe meant you were socially, reproductively, and possibly literally dead. In tribes of 100 people, it made sense to respond strongly to rejection of all forms. In today's world, it doesn't. You get rejected (for jobs, for romantic partnerships, etc.) a lot more, but it's usually harmless. It's "a numbers game"; but our wetware hasn't caught up. Which is why people are so averse to taking social risks, breaking rules even when they should be broken, and pointing out bad ideas.

Thing is, in the office world, we're back in those small tribes where each minuscule rejection or aggression is a possible threat. We're back in the world where being disliked by one or two of the wrong people means catastrophe. So, that's an environment in which is really does make sense to play it safe.

Challenging bad ideas benefits the company. It almost never benefits the person raising the issue. If you're wrong, you look like an idiot. If you're right but not convincing, you look like an idiot. If you're right and you are convincing, someone higher in the power structure will take credit for your idea.


Sorta random, but these comments remind me of that 10th man concept from World War Z: https://movies.stackexchange.com/questions/12616/is-the-10th...


It makes sense. If a world leader claims that he won an election with 99% of the vote, we assume it was a fraudulent election.

The thing is, in American capitalism, bosses want their underlings to think they have input and think decisions are made by consensus when, in reality, the "right answer" was preselected, and the politically savvy know what it is. Corporates don't actually want workers to have say. They just want the workers to work as hard, and buy in as much, as they would if they actually had a say.

This is also why venture funded companies give employees token stock option allocations even though the percentages are actually a joke. In exchange for options that might be worth $5,000 per year by fair market value, the workers work 50% harder because enough of them are young and inexperienced enough to think they "own the company" in a meaningful way.


My friend found out the hard way; challenging the ideas of her manager. She now has her head on the chopping block and is under constant passive-aggressive attack by said manager. Her co-worker "friends"....nowhere to be found, no support, no anything except a deafening silence.

All because of fear.


Capitalism has replaced the community with the office. You don't know your neighbors, you see your extended family once a year if that, and it's almost impossible to make friends after age 30 because we live in a stratified world built to keep us apart from each other. But the people who share the (mis?)fortune of selling their time to the same employer, they're the ones you spend all your time with, and they become your community or your small town.

This pushes you to invest yourself emotionally into a community that a wealthier, more powerful person can take away in an instant.


I've been struggling with this for a long while, so much I'd think to go to study group about the subject or go into sociology.

A place can rot to quite a surprising amount yet people in it won't be able to react.


Thanks for the free books to read


This research negates the possibility that intelligent beings higher up in the universal simulation coded the building blocks of life....


why?


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